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Crimson Dynamo 19-10-2024 09:59 AM

Trans teachers must be allowed to use same showers as female colleagues, schools told
 
CEO of human-rights charity Sex Matters brands National Governance
Association training as ‘grossly irresponsible’


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/...eg?imwidth=680

Trans teachers must be allowed to use the same showers and lavatories as female colleagues, schools have been told.

Training from the National Governance Association (NGA) tells governors that staff should be given access to the bathroom “available to other members of their newly acquired gender”.

The advice, seen by The Telegraph, goes on to suggest that requiring transgender people to use a disabled toilet instead of making reasonable adjustments “is not lawful or good practice”.

It reads: “Employees who have undergone gender reassignment or who are transgender must be supported to use all toilets and shower facilities which are available to other members of their newly acquired gender.

“Requiring transgendered people to use disabled toilet facilities instead of making reasonable adjustments is not lawful or good practice.”

The NGA is the national membership association for governors, trustees, and governance professionals in England’s state schools and trusts.

More than 80,000 members across 70 per cent of schools and trusts in England access its services, which include advice, training and events.

‘Shocked at this content’


A chair of governors at a secondary academy told The Telegraph: “I decided to take the NGA equality and diversity training today to keep myself up to date.

“I’m shocked at this content that’s part of the slide deck.”

Maya Forstater, the CEO of Sex Matters, a human-rights charity, said the training was “grossly irresponsible” and “deeply disturbing”.

She said: “Nowhere in the Equality Act does it say that men who identify as women have the right to access female toilets, so this is a shocking misrepresentation by the NGA.

“Employers are required by law to provide single-sex toilets unless they are fully enclosed unisex rooms. It is grossly irresponsible for the NGA to tell school governors and trustees otherwise.

“The Equality Act protects transgender people so that they can’t be harassed or discriminated against, such as being denied employment or housing. It doesn’t give them an all-access pass to opposite-sex facilities.

“It is deeply disturbing that school governors are being misinformed by the NGA in a way that breaches the rights of teachers and other staff to basic privacy and dignity.”


In June, the Education Secretary said "trans women with penises" could use women’s lavatories under Labour’s plans to make gender change easier.

Bridget Phillipson said that a trans woman who had a gender recognition certificate (GRC) “would be using female toilets” if they had not had reassignment surgery.

To obtain a GRC trans people have to receive sign-off by a panel of doctors and lawyers and provide two years of evidence that they have been living in their new gender.

Labour has said it is planning to “simplify” the process, which it has branded “degrading and torturous” for trans people, by downgrading both requirements.

The party has said it would keep the requirement for a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria but that this could now be provided by a single clinician.

It would also downgrade the requirement for evidence of a two-year “reflection” period, which could mean a medical diagnosis is all that is needed for a certificate

During the general election campaign, Sir Keir Starmer said transgender women did not have a right to access female-only spaces.

A spokesman for the Government said: “Teachers from all backgrounds should feel supported in the workplace. (just not women)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...le-colleagues/

Cherie 19-10-2024 10:10 AM

Starmer does more flip flopping than our Nicky (no offence Nicky :love:)

Jessica. 19-10-2024 10:13 AM

In the men's room people literally expose themselves in front of each other by using the urinal, disgusting! I f a child walks in they'll see a MAN touching his genitalia!! It's alarming, it should be stopped.

arista 19-10-2024 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11536505)
Starmer does more flip flopping than our Nicky (no offence Nicky :love:)


Yes it is shocking

Cherie 19-10-2024 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 11536509)
In the men's room people literally expose themselves in front of each other by using the urinal, disgusting! I f a child walks in they'll see a MAN touching his genitalia!! It's alarming, it should be stopped.

tbf most children go in the female toilets, I very rarely see children going in the Mens

Vicky. 19-10-2024 10:45 AM

Ridiculous. However I didn't know teachers showered at school anyways? Can't see it being often if they do

user104658 19-10-2024 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 11536525)
Ridiculous. However I didn't know teachers showered at school anyways? Can't see it being often if they do

Holy heck I didn't know you were back Vicky! If anyone had asked I'd have declared you missing presumed dead.

Vicky. 19-10-2024 03:15 PM

:laugh:

Crimson Dynamo 19-10-2024 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11536693)
Holy heck I didn't know you were back Vicky! If anyone had asked I'd have declared you missing presumed dead.

MTVN put a sixpence on a gravestone and went around it anti-clockwise 3 times to summon her and she popped back

https://media.tenor.com/3b4OPrEZz_kA...yard-ghost.gif

Oliver_W 19-10-2024 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 11536509)
In the men's room people literally expose themselves in front of each other by using the urinal, disgusting! I f a child walks in they'll see a MAN touching his genitalia!! It's alarming, it should be stopped.

I somewhat agree, minus the sarcastic histrionics.

I never use the urinals, and think each one should be more "sheltered."

Niamh. 19-10-2024 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11536730)
I somewhat agree, minus the sarcastic histrionics.



I never use the urinals, and think each one should be more "sheltered."

It is a pretty draconian system definitely

Mystic Mock 20-10-2024 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11536505)
Starmer does more flip flopping than our Nicky (no offence Nicky :love:)

:laugh:


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