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arista 14-02-2025 02:11 AM

Competitor : BBC Apprentice has quit the show after allegedly using racist language
 
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Yes,
Good to Kick him out
Racist on the BBC
100% rule break.


And, he is a Qualified Dentist.

Ray. 14-02-2025 02:33 AM

Oh, thank God.

I thought it was my sweepstake for a minute there.

Kate! 14-02-2025 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray. (Post 11607857)
Oh, thank God.

I thought it was my sweepstake for a minute there.

Ha, same Ray.

Oliver_W 14-02-2025 10:50 AM

I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one - he doesn't seem like someone who spends a lot of time online, and what he said isn't too different from the en vogue term, "people of colour."

I'd bet he sort-of remembered that term, and got a wire crossed in his brain and accidentally used the outdated term.

user104658 14-02-2025 11:15 AM

This is a slightly tough one because the context of why the term is considered a slur rather than just offensively outdated is mostly specific to the US and South Africa, where it HAS historically been used in a negative way. My impression is that in the UK itself (whilst it's still outdated) it wasn't really historically used offensively (for the mostpart), more just synonymously with modern terms.

Sounds like he hasn't been booted though - he's decided to leave because of the accusation and the implications of it (on him personally and professionally), which is fair and understandable all round.

I would say though... people going on television really need to be especially careful with their words, and often are... not. Like if in any doubt just don't.

Oliver_W 14-02-2025 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11607933)
This is a slightly tough one because the context of why the term is considered a slur rather than just offensively outdated is mostly specific to the US and South Africa, where it HAS historically been used in a negative way. My impression is that in the UK itself (whilst it's still outdated) it wasn't really historically used offensively (for the mostpart), more just synonymously with modern terms.

Sounds like he hasn't been booted though - he's decided to leave because of the accusation and the implications of it (on him personally and professionally), which is fair and understandable all round.

I would say though... people going on television really need to be especially careful with their words, and often are... not. Like if in any doubt just don't.

It might just be old people "back in my day"-ing, but I've heard that black was once considered a slur, and coloured was a preferred term? Whereas now using black is morally neutral, and coloured is the (um) "off-colour" terminology.

As you say he should have erred on the side of caution. But it's not always that easy - I once used the word "chav" (in a non-derogatory way) around some of my more right-on friends, and they all clutched their pearls and fell onto the fainting couch :joker: Sometimes you just don't know, and it's not something that would even cross your mind that you might be using a problematic word.



(I've not seen the latest episode, so can't speak on context)

Redway 14-02-2025 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11607937)
It might just be old people "back in my day"-ing, but I've heard that black was once considered a slur, and coloured was a preferred term? Whereas now using black is morally neutral, and coloured is the (um) "off-colour" terminology.

As you say he should have erred on the side of caution. But it's not always that easy - I once used the word "chav" (in a non-derogatory way) around some of my more right-on friends, and they all clutched their pearls and fell onto the fainting couch :joker: Sometimes you just don't know, and it's not something that would even cross your mind that you might be using a problematic word.



(I've not seen the latest episode, so can't speak on context)

Are you not an incredibly young man in your 30s/early 40s?

Oliver_W 14-02-2025 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11607940)
Are you not an incredibly young man in your 30s/early 40s?

Early-mid thirties, thank YOU.

I didn't say the old people were my contemporaries :joker:

Livia 14-02-2025 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11607937)
It might just be old people "back in my day"-ing, but I've heard that black was once considered a slur, and coloured was a preferred term? Whereas now using black is morally neutral, and coloured is the (um) "off-colour" terminology.

As you say he should have erred on the side of caution. But it's not always that easy - I once used the word "chav" (in a non-derogatory way) around some of my more right-on friends, and they all clutched their pearls and fell onto the fainting couch :joker: Sometimes you just don't know, and it's not something that would even cross your mind that you might be using a problematic word.



(I've not seen the latest episode, so can't speak on context)

My parents say 'coloured' sometimes because to them 'black' sounds like a slur. It's all about intent.

Oliver_W 14-02-2025 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11607943)
My parents say 'coloured' sometimes because to them 'black' sounds like a slur. It's all about intent.

I'm not saying your parents are old, but they're probably of the same generation as my older relatives who pretty much think the same.

Livia 14-02-2025 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11607945)
I'm not saying your parents are old, but they're probably of the same generation as my older relatives who pretty much think the same.

My parents are old, relatively speaking. In their 70s.

Crimson Dynamo 14-02-2025 12:07 PM

The office were taking the piss about "acceptable words" 20 odd years ago :laugh:


Ammi 14-02-2025 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11607933)
This is a slightly tough one because the context of why the term is considered a slur rather than just offensively outdated is mostly specific to the US and South Africa, where it HAS historically been used in a negative way. My impression is that in the UK itself (whilst it's still outdated) it wasn't really historically used offensively (for the mostpart), more just synonymously with modern terms.

Sounds like he hasn't been booted though - he's decided to leave because of the accusation and the implications of it (on him personally and professionally), which is fair and understandable all round.

I would say though... people going on television really need to be especially careful with their words, and often are... not. Like if in any doubt just don't.

…I just recently watched a TV series…(…Capture Season 2…)…and one of the characters is a rising politician who is a person of colour, which is deemed as an acceptable term and has originated from the US…but there’s a part in one episode that specifically refers to that term as being one that the politician himself would never use and dislikes because it’s too closely related to ‘coloured’….

Redway 14-02-2025 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11607942)
Early-mid thirties, thank YOU.

I didn't say the old people were my contemporaries :joker:

So don’t you dare go “Back in my day”-ing. You’re not old enough for that, Mr 34.

AnnieK 14-02-2025 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11607977)
So don’t you dare go “Back in my day”-ing. You’re not old enough for that, Mr 34.

He wasn't doing it personally - he stated that some older people use that....and he's not wrong.

Crimson Dynamo 14-02-2025 03:02 PM

I mean Beyonce is desperately trying to make her self look white these days and no one bats an eye

https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploa...y=75&strip=all

GoldHeart 14-02-2025 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo (Post 11607979)
I mean Beyonce is desperately trying to make her self look white these days and no one bats an eye

https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploa...y=75&strip=all

And the award for the most irrelevant comment in a thread ....goes to

Crimson Dynamo 14-02-2025 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11607984)
And the award for the most irrelevant comment in a thread ....goes to

Id like to thank God, my parents and Michael Jackson in his later years...

GoldHeart 14-02-2025 04:03 PM

On a serious note ...Jana probably didn't mean any ill intent by his wording...he was probably quoting something that he's heard or it was just in his vocabulary but came out clumsy, I still find it odd that people still say ' coloured' instead of just saying the word black.

But I also understand it may be their upbringing or a generation thing. They don't want to offend...so they end up being overly PC by saying ' coloured' , when in reality it's all about context.


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