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arista 04-05-2025 10:02 AM

Conservatives need to replace Kemi
 
She is not good in interviews
A previous aide said she hates them.


They should have checked that before putting her in place




Give Jenrick a go.


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Livia 04-05-2025 10:17 AM

Changing the Tory leader would be like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

arista 04-05-2025 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11642344)
Changing the Tory leader would be like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.


Yes, well put,


but give it a try....

joeysteele 04-05-2025 11:04 AM

Yes but not with either Jenrick or Braverman.
Because really Badenoch is just more thinking like them.
Running after Farage's Reform ( UKIP MK3) Party in the main.

MTVN 04-05-2025 11:20 AM

It's too early but there needs to be some improvement soon

It's not even that she's unpopular, she's just irrelevant

joeysteele 04-05-2025 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11642371)
It's too early but there needs to be some improvement soon

It's not even that she's unpopular, she's just irrelevant

I know you like Jenrick MTVN.
I rarely watch Kuenssberg on Sundays but she had Justine Greening on, who I didn't dislike much during her period prominent in the Conservative party.
However she said more or less, the trying to emulate Farage and Reform wasn't working under Badenoch.

Who do you think could even now start to turn this around for your Party.
Plus be able to pull back the support already lost to Reform.

As I said, I know you like Jenrick but who other than him, who would you really look to, if you had that choice.

MTVN 04-05-2025 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11642376)
I know you like Jenrick MTVN.
I rarely watch Kuenssberg on Sundays but she had Justine Greening on, who I didn't dislike much during her period prominent in the Conservative party.
However she said more or less, the trying to emulate Farage and Reform wasn't working under Badenoch.

Who do you think could even now start to turn this around for your Party.
Plus be able to pull back the support already lost to Reform.

As I said, I know you like Jenrick but who other than him, who would you really look to, if you had that choice.

I actually wanted Kemi at the time because I thought Jenrick was a bit arrogant and ungenuine. I also thought it would be quite powerful for the Conservative party to have a black woman as leader. Since then she's been a bit disappointing though whereas Jenrick is the only one who has landed blows on Starmer with his campaign against two tier justice.

Reality is the options are very limited and it'd be between Jenrick and Cleverly I think. Feels like the Tories are very squeezed as well because they're hemorrhaging votes both sides to the Lib Dems and to Reform

bots 04-05-2025 11:46 AM

The problem is that all the Tory mps have had there time. They need new faces with new ideas. The tories got their messaging wrong on immigration. No one can solve it legally but they never explained it. Once you get past the boris 3 word slogans, there is really nothing left and people seem not to be engaged enough to understand nuance these days

arista 04-05-2025 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11642371)
It's too early but there needs to be some improvement soon

It's not even that she's unpopular, she's just irrelevant


Yes
Replace her faster.

It can be done

arista 04-05-2025 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11642379)
I actually wanted Kemi at the time because I thought Jenrick was a bit arrogant and ungenuine. I also thought it would be quite powerful for the Conservative party to have a black woman as leader. Since then she's been a bit disappointing though whereas Jenrick is the only one who has landed blows on Starmer with his campaign against two tier justice.

Reality is the options are very limited and it'd be between Jenrick and Cleverly I think. Feels like the Tories are very squeezed as well because they're hemorrhaging votes both sides to the Lib Dems and to Reform

But now
Kemi is arrogant

MTVN 04-05-2025 12:42 PM

After Jenrick and Cleverly the favourites for next leader aren't even Tory MPs which says it all - Boris and Farage. I think most members would have Boris back in a heartbeat but there's no easy route back to parliament for him

arista 04-05-2025 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11642424)
After Jenrick and Cleverly the favourites for next leader aren't even Tory MPs which says it all - Boris and Farage. I think most members would have Boris back in a heartbeat but there's no easy route back to parliament for him

Of Course, they would like Boris back
but he is no longer a legit MP

Zizu 04-05-2025 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11642426)
Of Course, they would like Boris back
but he is no longer a legit MP


He’s probably just biding his time

He will be back

arista 04-05-2025 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11642442)
He’s probably just biding his time

He will be back

As an Advisor
not a MP

Zizu 04-05-2025 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11642444)
As an Advisor
not a MP


Na .. only Boris can lead the Tories back into power .. in a couple of years

arista 04-05-2025 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11642458)
Na .. only Boris can lead the Tories back into power .. in a couple of years


He is Not an MP

Zizu 04-05-2025 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11642459)
He is Not an MP


He will be when needed in a couple of years

bots 04-05-2025 05:34 PM

What great job did Boris do? He was only good at lying

joeysteele 04-05-2025 06:15 PM

My views on the Conservatives doesn't matter as I'm not a supporter of them.
However I've always had some agreement with the expression, better the devil you know than the one you don't.
Very appropriate at this present time.

I was never an admirer of Johnson, but he was a winner.
Even I have to admit that, plus he was certainly a better bet than the PM before him and the one after him.
In my view.

I do think had he absolutely stuck rigid to the COVID rules he made law for everyone else
Plus had he not tried to cover for or keep in place the MPs of his who did wrong, lobbying or financially and the worst one, trying to cover up for a sexual predator.
I personally wasn't too bothered about his expenses and freebies issues

I think with Ukraine and his then determination to really stand shoulder to shoulder with Ukraine.
Then he likely would have been a much stronger bet still in any election.
I wonder what he really thinks about things now.
As for him coming back again.
I'm not sure it looks like he'd even want to.
Especially at this chaotic time.

Zizu 05-05-2025 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bots (Post 11642488)
What great job did Boris do? He was only good at lying


That’s the main requirement. Surely

Livia 05-05-2025 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11642512)
My views on the Conservatives doesn't matter as I'm not a supporter of them.
However I've always had some agreement with the expression, better the devil you know than the one you don't.
Very appropriate at this present time.

I was never an admirer of Johnson, but he was a winner.
Even I have to admit that, plus he was certainly a better bet than the PM before him and the one after him.
In my view.

I do think had he absolutely stuck rigid to the COVID rules he made law for everyone else
Plus had he not tried to cover for or keep in place the MPs of his who did wrong, lobbying or financially and the worst one, trying to cover up for a sexual predator.
I personally wasn't too bothered about his expenses and freebies issues

I think with Ukraine and his then determination to really stand shoulder to shoulder with Ukraine.
Then he likely would have been a much stronger bet still in any election.
I wonder what he really thinks about things now.
As for him coming back again.
I'm not sure it looks like he'd even want to.
Especially at this chaotic time.

To be fair, Johnson was pursued relentlessly, rabidly even, and his political career ended over a covid rule break. Starmer broke the rules and got away with it scot free and is now prime minister. The woman who ran the inquiry into Johnson and came to the conclusion we all knew she would, immediately went to work for Starmer. The whole witch hunt smelled like a fish market on a hot day.

arista 11-05-2025 06:54 AM

In Todays,
Sunday Times
They say by the next General Election
Kemi will not be the leader.

SkyNewsHD Newspaper Review Live

Livia 11-05-2025 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11642424)
After Jenrick and Cleverly the favourites for next leader aren't even Tory MPs which says it all - Boris and Farage. I think most members would have Boris back in a heartbeat but there's no easy route back to parliament for him

In my opinion, Boris is the only person who could lead any kind of Tory revival.

Zizu 11-05-2025 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11645147)
In my opinion, Boris is the only person who could lead any kind of Tory revival.


That’s confirmed by any number of online polls / questionnaires plus the bookies ..

arista 11-05-2025 12:37 PM

Johnson needs to be a Sitting MP

That's his problem.


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