Whats the difference????
 

Marcus perving over Noirin who is constantly by his side even though just wants to be friends
or
Ken and Tom talking about dogface - Tom - I wouldnt be able to have a conversation with her. Ken - well you just ***** her and move on - then talking about various things they would do to her etc etc. Totally degrading towards woman

Seems like a bit of a difference to me.

Tom and Ken are treating women in a nasty, degrading way to get themselves off.


Marcus however creepy it is, is doing it because he really likes her, and it's his heart that makes him like this.

i see your point and agree they are both worse than marcus

Exactly my point - the majorty of people on here regard Marcus as a pervert - what he says pervy is usually to the persons face - where as Tom and Ken are being totally degrading to woman I declare that they should broadcast this on the plasma screen - Marcus although jealous of Toms reactions to Noirin is spot on with what he thinks of the pair of them - just a shame he cant move on from Noirin

Tom and Kenneth. Marcus means this cos he's clearly in love

IMO Tom and Ken were worse, however bad Marcus is sometimes.