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Originally Posted by Shaun
Out of interest for the practicality of this being implemented: wouldn't infractions being made public counteract the measure of deleting an infraction-worthy post, if you can just then see it in this "list of infractions" idea? 
For example:
Blurryface calls Amy Jade a 'nasty bitch'.
Blurryface receives an infraction, the post is deleted.
Everyone heads to "Latest Infractions" and sees: "Blurryface - 2pts - reason with quoted post" |
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Originally Posted by Dezzy
I'd assume if it were to happen, we'd just say something like
'Blurryface - 2pts - Insulting a forum member'
The infracted person would know the post in question and, in a situation where they could lie about it to rile people up, I'd say we reveal the infraction in it's entirely.
It's something I've been tempted to do often when I see people blatantly lie about why they've got infracted It's one way an open system could benefit the mods I suppose. Can't call bias if we can expose the truth when issues are raised. In the current system we kind of have to sit on our hands even when we know we can end a situation by revealing the truth. |
...I’m going to quote Shaun and Dezzy’s posts just because they feel relevant to my thoughts is all...
...so much is obviously difficult for me to comment on because of my time off the forum with my illness...but even ‘going back to the day’..
...it was still a thing of not being always able to feel a perspective of transparency because of deletions in threads...for instance, blurry face might have insulted Amy in such a way so it’s easy to feel....aha, you’re guilty blurry face...you broke the rules and insulted a member so really you deserved your infraction etc...but it still wouldn’t be giving an accurate thing if Amy persistently and consistently had prodded and poked Blurryface through thread after thread and over time after time etc....to the point where he had insulted her...?...I mean, we all know the rules but there is also a point where rules will inevitably be broken when people are pushed to feel and react in....enough already!!!!...I do feel these things are relevant as well to get full context to a group or community ‘dynamic’....otherwise it’s a bit like what most of us hate about BB in getting the edited highlights...
...but the ‘live feed’ would have given full context and full understanding....I don’t think it’s as black and white as showing a post or explaining a post when an infraction was given, I think it’s a little more complicated than questioning of own infractions...but more the participation of others or another...and is fairness being shown..?...(...because all has to be seen to be fair also, that has to have transparency...)...if for instance someone is ‘baited and trolled’, pushed and prodded etc from thread to thread and over much time...to the point where an insult is given...?....then obviously that one insult and one reason isn’t the only factor or only issue...in fact it’s relatively small in the grand scheme of trying to create ‘more harmony’...I would say, personally....people are human, people will react...whether it breaks a rule or not, you know....if someone’s posts and thoughts are constantly ‘picked at’ in negative ways...by the same member or the same few members, then it will inevitably lead to the frustrations and the insults....and I know ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’...but it’s understandable why these things happen....
...anyways, I guess really what I’m saying and what my thoughts are ...I realise that James doesn’t like threads and posts remaining in their entirety because of the negative vibe it gives the forum for any browsers and potential new members....I understand that completely...(...and there are times when individual threads../posts would be justified to be removed and deleted immediately because of a prejudice or intolerant value etc...)....but other than those occasions....maybe a compromise of leaving a complete thread without any deletions etc up for a limited time of 24hours or 48 hours, type thing....(...it could still be closed if appropriate...)...but it would help with transparency for members to have whole context...not just in that thread...’the guilty thread’..
of the infraction or infractions being revealed....but with other threads that have come before as well and what ‘has led to’....I do think that’s very relevant to feelings of ‘fairness for all’....
....maybe not, maybe I’m completely off key here...but I personally would always like to get the full context of something rather than one or two person’s ‘truths’...which may be true, but there are many truths usually....