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- Is this not sexist thinking when in reality the women can easily win any of the challenges they put out there?  |
These are twists that were
literally introduced for specific purposes and if you are in denial of that then you're just blind. Redemption Island was crafted as a built-in second chance for Rob and Russell, and Edge of Extinction was created so that Joe could instantly propel himself back from the dead and into the final with one Challenge win.
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- This had absolutely nothing to do with her gender and absolutely everything to do with her likable personality & her story coming in.
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Again, my point is that
for some reason it's the women who are instantly pegged as "we can't possibly let them get to the end because they'll win" threats, and it's laughably dense for this to repeatedly happen within the first six days of the game.
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- This is just not true & you're looking at it with tunnel vision of what you want to see as "inherent sexism within the game" when in reality a lot of the females that were viewed as smart & voted off in current and past seasons just simply weren't subtle enough in trying to not look smart with the cast. The same subtlety that Tommy showed when he took a back seat a lot and tried to not look threatening - he let Lauren look like the mastermind because she was more out there and literally willing to show how smart & powerful she was in the game compared to Tommy who downplayed a lot to a lot of people. Sandra is an excellent example of a subtle "smart" player that makes herself look like a goat when she is very aware of the game and how to get through and get the votes in the end. As she was then awarded for it twice. She is a woman.
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I'd actually go down a different path and say that it's another symptom of BIG MOVEZ culture because the players immediately freak out about Day 39 threats the second they hit the beach. When the vote comes down to Dean and Chelsea, almost every group of players in this current era keeps Dean because he brings "physical strength" and everyone assumes that it will be easier to get him out later rather than round up the numbers to get out Chelsea. The logic is actually really ****ing stupid because these people just proved that it's
not difficult to round up the numbers to get out Chelsea since, hello, they literally just did that. We've seen it with Dean/Chelsea, with Taylor/Figgy, with Peter/Liz, with Joaquin/So, with Ozzy/Elyse, etc. The only instance in recent memory where the roles were reversed was Tommy/Lauren because there was that entire period of time after the swap and early merge where Tommy was repeatedly named as a target to weaken Lauren, but even then the cast failed to deliver on that one.
Sexism/implicit gender bias in Survivor isn't an all-or-nothing matter either. Citing Sandra winning twice in the previous decade, long before the game was littered with Idols and Nullifiers and Advantages and Fire-Making twists, doesn't negate the current gender imbalance of successful men compared to successful women.
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- This doesn't just happen to women. Men are just more likely to be seen as a benefit in challenges based on their performances OR their muscular build and therefore are kept around a lot of times in the early couple days. And then the physically fit men that can win challenges are constantly viewed as immediate threats at the merge and compared to "Ozzy 2.0" & "Joe Anglim 2.0" and typically get voted off one of the first few times they don't win immunity. But you probably have no problem when it comes to that strategizing against a physical man. Anyway, comparisons are made, people are voted out for the comparisons that are seen as crucial to take out in order to win. Nothing groundbreaking. Nothing about gender.  |
Oh I think it's absolutely possible to acknowledge how ****ing stupid the "muscular guy = physical threat" fallacy is, especially when modern Challenges don't favor muscular men at all. Like practically every tribal Challenge is an agility obstacle course followed by a puzzle and practically every individual Challenge is endurance, and the real threats are the people with better strength/weight ratios. That being said, there's also a huge difference between a guy getting taken out for being a physical threat and a girl getting taken out for ~being the next Parvati~. Physical Challenges are a cornerstone in every season of Survivor; someone playing "like Parvati" is not. Molly's entire boot episode was multiple people proclaiming her to be Parvati 2.0 and I still don't even know what they mean by that.