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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier
Now now, let's not start  .
I'm aware that most abortions are before 10 weeks but you didn't say "most abortions that are carried out are just a bundle of cells" - you said that "For pretty much the entirety of the period when someone can choose to have an abortion, the fetus is just an bunch of cells". You can't revise that now to be more right, because your old post is still there. Darn you, internet  .
I didn't misunderstand what you were saying. If you were unclear in what you were saying, that's on you, and if you're now revising what you're saying, that's fine too and I agree with the above. However, again, what you said was not "a fetus before X weeks", it was "a fetus until it's ready to be born or delivered, cannot support it's own existence outside of the womb". Ready to be born or delivered is 38 weeks gestation
You're obviously free to your opinion but this is not even in the realms of scientific fact. It is pure opinion. Your claim is that any parasitic entity that would die without a host body isn't alive, which in my opinion is clearly not a logical statement. It's a white lie. I'm not "calling you a liar" - a bit dramatic - I'm saying that in my opinion the ideology that "the point where life begins is birth" is rhetoric mostly used to make abortion less traumatic and more palatable. I'm pro-choice, like I said if we had gotten pregnant for a third time it's very likely we would have taken that option, but I don't see the point in not being honest with ourselves about what it is? Killing a fetus. I'm not hand-wringing or calling it murder either, it just is what it is... I love a fillet steak, nom nom, but I'm not going to pretend that someone didn't cut a cow's throat for it, or that the cow wasn't alive.
Your entire argument was based on the "bundle of cells" premise, which is demonstrably false. You've amended that to "viability of living independently" - and that's fine, certainly debatable, I still disagree but it's not INcorrect just a matter of opinion. |
You started by calling me a liar and don't backpedal now, you did say I was lying to further my own agenda. Choose your words better if you don't want to be called out on it.
Life begins when a life can support the basic act of living. A first trimester fetus cannot support itself, by your own admission, a fetus can survive at 22 weeks BUT I looked it up last night, the chances of survival are low and without immediate medical attention, it's non-existent. Can you really say life begins then when most of the time, it'll result in the likely immediate death of the fetus? I consider life to begin when a baby can live outside of the womb without dying and for me. A baby can survive before that point, yes, but it's not common enough to make out that a 22 week fetus is the same as a full term baby.
Stating 'that's your opinion' is redundant, everything in this topic is an opinion but my opinion, like yours, is backed up by the same method of googling as you and it's just as valid as yours. You are splitting hairs again and it won't work.