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Originally Posted by joeysteele
I've heard him apologise in a general sense but I haven't heard him say he accepts the full conclusions of the Equalities investigation.
I don't see the current Labour Party as you see it now.
In my view it was far more Con like under Blair than now.
I still believe the Labour party has the compassion and sense of fair play balance needed to improve things.
Am I happy with Starmer, no.
Am I happy with all his likely policies, no.
I'm really annoyed he's dumped public ownership of energy and even railways.
I'm furious he intends to ignore an overwhelming vote at conference for PR.
Although a Labour party member, that doesn't mean I agree with all or even much they do.
However for me, this atrocious rotten from the core needs to be well and truly kicked out.
I'll support Starmer to do that, so am sticking with, just about sticking with though, Labour.
Because Labour is the ONLY way to turf this heartless and rotten lot out.
The ONLY way unfortunately.
I rarely like any Party leaders anyhow.
I can't recall a Con or Labour one I have so far in my lifetime.
I know you admire Corbyn and I'll agree he has been wrongly criticised most of the time.
I'm actually sad to see a Labour Party member and an MP for 40 years treated like this.
It's not a win situation at all.
I do wish Starmer had retained, as HE indicated he would, most of the aims of Corbyn's policies.
So I understand your fury and you are justified.
If I lived in say Scotland I'd likely be heading into the SNP fold myself.
Because really the 2 main parties have failed the UK all through.
Since the war, the Cons have governed as lead in governnent for 47 years.
Labour for 30 years.
Loooking through history, the only good government in my view was 1945 to 1951.
With the changes and policies they enacted.
All others have governed and failed in the main.
However under this dinosaur like undemocratic electoral system.
That failure will go on.
This last 13 years however for me should go down as the most incompetent and worst governed period EVER under this shambolic lot.
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The motion didn't even mention As and was about the election results of 2019, in which more people voted for him than Milliband, Blair in 05, and Brown. Miliband now part of Starmers team. Everything that was thrown at Corbyn regarding Stalinist purges and factionalism is happening now, and if decent centrist labour folks like yourself accept that any mp can be removed on the whim of the current leader, against the wishes of his constituency, then you can't also claim to believe in the democracy of the party. I will never vote labour again, because labour doesn't want people who believe in democratic socialist ideals. A truly sad day for the party.
Starmer is an absolute fraud who is about as dishonest as Johnson if we look at everything he said versus reality. so if you want to support this, then be prepared to keep moaning (in the good sense) about starmer going back on even more things he's said. You know he's a liar, because you're interested in politics and specifically labour. He will walk the next election on the back of the tories; as would Corbyn, as would Milliband, as would Brown, but his tory impression isn't going to inspire anyone to give him a second term. Acting like a tory only works for tories, and voters will opt for the real thing. You know about the Forde report and the labour files, and that's what makes your compliance with this even more confusing. As smears were first thrown at Milliband and his Da - Corbyn was the only one to go on TV and defend them both. Milliband said in 2018 that he knew JC wasn't an AS, and yet went on TV today to lie about AS being the reason for the motion.
The tory party has collapsed, so this is the very time he could offer hope to voters that a fairer society is on the way, instead he's going on about cannabis smoke ruining lives. Fcuk me, what an inspiring message - We'll be harsher on everyone than the tories. He's trailing in the poll against Sunak about who will make the better PM, so everyone knows they will have to vote for him because tories need a stint on the subs bench, but he's not offering any kind of vision that is making people
want to vote for him.
I'm glad you mentioned 45-51, because that is the kind of government Corbyn wanted. The one that the "greatest generation" chose after the horrors of WWII. We don't need to be a country of cruelty, we can do better.