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Originally Posted by joeysteele
Really Slim.
That's an overexaggeration.
I don't see that scenario you're saying at all.
Under Corbyn's leadership there were issues too with candidacy and members.
Which equally was overexaggerrated too.
Labour has a leader you don't like now that's clear.
I don't like him either.
I haven't liked the last 3 Labour leaders but I haven't give up on the party.
I still believe and there's NO reason to think otherwise, that Labour will more protect the most vulnerable, sick and disabled and THAT is an issue which is extremely important to me.
For many years now I've supported and canvassed for better treatment of the sick and disabled after the humiliating and degrading criteria brought in of the testing of them by this government.
Also supported by the Lib Dems in the coalition too.
Disgraceful.
The NHS too has always been important to me.
It's why I voted against the Cons with my first election vote in 2010.
The NHS has been decimated by this Con government.and so again, I believe Labour will need to reform it now in light of that but I firmly believe Labour will save it and protect it.
As they did up to 2010.
So I don't see this awful Labour you do.
So I won't be leaving it yet.
Just because it's got a leader I don't like.
It's not pie in the sky what I listed in my post.
The party has voted overwhelmingly for PR as Labour policy.
I'm not happy Starmer has ruled that out but he's stated it's not a policy for to put forward in the next election.
So I can hold onto the feeling he's looking at a 2nd term.
Which could contain very different policies.
So PR is not pie in the sky.
It does look like Labour will be the main Party to adopt it as policy hopefully in the manifesto of the election after the next one.
I can accept that.
Neither is the better treatment of the vulnerable and sick and disabled just pie in the sky.
Nor is the need to get these current Cons away from the NHS.
So I will support again Labour because as even bots said.
Another term of the Cons would be disastrous.
He is dead right and I'm never going to do anything to even just risk another term of this heartless Con government.
No way.
Certainly never going to risk that because Labour has a useless leader.
They've all been useless since Blair.
From Brown to Corbyn Labour had 4, yes 4 election defeats.
It was bad enough in 2015 under Miliband.
However in 2019 it was a massive rout as to seats.
Even worse than 1983 when the opposition votes were split between Labour and the SDP/LIB Alliance.
Starmer is an awful leader, then again I don't think Labour has had a good one since John Smith.
Plus in my view all the Parties now have a bad leader.
So the choice is dire anyhow as to leadership.
Wishing you well Slim.
I had a fairly good day yesterday thank you.
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As always, Joey, only time will tell which of us is correct, but for what it's worth, I genuinely hope it's you.
I'm not leaving labour behind, they've said they don't want the likes of me any more, and regardless of how each of us thinks, opposing views have never been unwelcome in the party before now.