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Originally Posted by vesavius

I see zero evidence of this in 2024 Britain. Can you give examples where white men have more power or influence or privilege in UK society? I mean, the last Tory leader was an Indian man, and the next seems likely to be a black woman.

It's a bit like when people say the USA don't haver a race issue because Obama was president. I don't think white men specifically have more power, but I do think white people benefit from wider systemic privileges than most, particularly immigrants for example.

While from a law and rights perspective everyone is equal (quite rightly so) do you really believe everyone in society is seen as equal? Sounds amazing, but also sounds like a fantasy land. There are many people out there that will have issues with specific demographics and that will impact the influence that demographic has.

Again, I see zero evidence of this. Indeed, I would say gay men are elevated above straight men in general, especially in the UK media (which they more or less run). This is not the world of Quentin Crisp anymore and people need to stop pretending it is.

I think it's pretty rude to call someone's experience 'pretending'. Your example are a false equivalence really, a bit like the comment above about having leaders who are not white.

Why have you chosen UK media as your example of where gay men have more power than straight men (I would still question this). Why not the British Army? Why not the Football Association? I myself work in an industry that is 99% male, 99% straight and extremely old fashioned in its viewpoints when it comes to both women and gay men.

While I am not suggesting blatant homophobia is rife in the UK (though there were over 22k cases of LGBT hate crime in 2023/4) I do think it's pretty naive to suggest that someone's sexuality isn't a barrier and people don't make judgements and decisions subliminally.

I feel people invent the idea that there is out of some kind of need for victimhood.

Cool.

But what Ali was saying in the house there is a hierarchy of power. She wasn't talking about wider society. She was stating that the lads were above her in that house and that she was on the bottom of a pyramid of patriarchy as the 'plucky freedom fighter', even as she sits on the HoH bed.

The house is a tiny microcosm of society, of course.