[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Quantum Bauble

I actually didn't even think of it causing gross offense is the honest answer here - I've had my own subconscious bias so regularly challenged on the issues of subtle societal misogyny so frequently that it's become not a thing. It's not a moral high ground stance I'm still regularly challenged on it often enough lol. Women are held to a higher moral standard by both sides of the political spectrum; almost considered class traitors for not being progressive enough. It's an issue but it wasn't meant to be that deep. We're fellas raised in a patriarchal society, to claim that we don't hold some deep rooted unintentional misogynistic reactions is limiting, is all. I will take on board that I've at some point forgotten that "that might be misogyny" is for most people confronting.

FWIW it's not so much that I had an issue with the observation of a political switch, more that you for some reason chose to lump Kate and Cherie into one sentence on the topic, when (in my view, anyway) I think the only thing that they really have in common on here, is that they're female members. I found them an odd pairing to use as an example. It certainly feels like an "...even the female members" statement, when the bar for male members on here is in the actual sewers, and while holding the bar higher for female members might feel like it's a positive assessment/acknowledgement of how low the standards are of the blokes, it actually never plays that way in practice. It just adds the pressure of an additional expectation.

Thank you.... I know we don't always agree, but you do at times get right to the nub of it

I am particularly surprised at him using Kate, as she considers him a friend... and apparently he is her friend...jeez