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Your comment originally suggested that Mickey made his comments in the current climate of “woke liberalism” That is undermining the homophobic remarks.
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Yes, because the current climate of woke liberalism plays a part and can't be separated out. I'm not going to ignore talking about it because it offends.
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I agree in theory, but you yourself are deciding what offence is fake and what isn’t and then playing victim based off of your own made up benchmark, which isn’t actually reality.
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If you only agree in theory then you don't actually agree at all.
Our own judgement and interpretation of intention and context is all we have. We all make judgements on those things every day and I trust my reading of a situation. I am always going to trust my own judgement on these things over an alternative reality dictated to me by others.
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I think we should rationalise this further: your version of straight people being silenced extends to...
Whereas gay people being silenced is...
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Again, you are comparing as if it's some kind of victimhood competition.
I have said from the start that LGBT+ issues are as important.
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Sorry you can’t say fag anymore without it being called homophobic though, I guess.
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I have never said that at all. That definitely is not a word that I would choose to use and I have not defended Mickey using it. But, in the end it's just a single word and only has the power over you that you give it. In the end offence isn't given, it's taken.
I wouldn't have used 'queer' a few years ago either until it was re-appropriated, so who knows in the future. It's all ultimately about context and intent. Even JoJo understands that.
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I am not going to deny there aren’t radicalised members of the LGBT community; that would be stupid and dishonest. But I do think there needs to be a bit of honesty here about the power imbalance that each group of people have at either end of the spectrum.
At the end of the day, LGBT people make up 3% of the population.
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Yes, but that 3% has a vastly disproportionate loud voice and influence and has the backing of both the State and the Corporate world.
Look, I am not here to defend the radicalised right at all... I have explained why idiots like Tate have emerged, I am not here to say that's a good thing. I do not think that's it's a good thing, tbc.
I dislike the radical right as much as I dislike the radical left. Both are full of nutters.
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It’s been good to debate with you as always but I feel like I cant continue this conversation without repeating myself, though I will happily read your reply. I appreciate your time in this exchange. Have a good day.
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I understand. Thank you for staying civil and taking the time to express your views. We might not have arrived at an agreement but that's ok
