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lol...why would this even be open for debate? Obviously he can't nor does he have any such right. Are you arguing the he ought to have the final choice Sticks?
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But already in IVF he can pull the plug
I am putting the "what if" scenario of what if he also had the final say in natural pregnancies?
Also the pro-choice lobby always use the "Women's body" argument and therefore I am turning this around as the man could say part of his body went to make the child so in these days of equality he should be able to decide.
I suspect that some terminations have been done because some woman have been bullied into it by men who did not want their partner to come to term.
On personal level if I had a wife/ girlfriend - and had got her pregnant, I would wanting her to keep the child
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No the your confusing the 2 examples... they aren't comparable since in your IVF example no egg has yet been fertilised. Him having the right to withdraw consent of the IVF fertilisation doesn't logically lead to him therefore having the right to choose whether she , once impregnated via IVF or otherwise, has the right to decide on the termination. You see the difference is during conception the man gave his consent ( obviously) but in your IVF example he clearly hasn't.
"Also the pro-choice lobby always use the "Women's body" argument and therefore I am turning this around as the man could say part of his body"
Again not applicable since the "body" referred to here isn't simply the genetic information but the actual human who has to go through the delivery of the baby. It's her body... she has the choice. The argument that it's part of his body too therefore he should have the choice doesn't cut it.
"I suspect that some terminations have been done because some woman have been bullied into it by men who did not want their partner to come to term." Very likely but that isn't argument enough to deny the majority of women their right to choose.
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what?... no reply Sticks
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So if a woman wants the baby and the man does not want the baby the woman has more legal rights? And when the baby is born the man by law has to support that child with paying child support?
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Yep. And that's biology. Take it up with nature. There's more affect on the woman than the man.