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A very partizan view of the world from a Freddie fan.
The fact is that Noirin doesn't like Halfwit (and nor do most of the HM's) and since she has nominated him every week since the start, she was perfectly entitled to nominate him again. Noirin did nothing that Dogface, Karly, Kris, Lisa, Rodrigo and Sree didn't do and that was to nominate the most annoying housemate.
Noirins nomination was no more significant than that of Lisa's for Freddie and Noirin didn't owe Freddie any saving favours. The fact that Freddie removed Noirin's "glasses" was done for his own benefit as much as Noirin's, and deserved no more thanks than when Noirin cooks Freddies dinner every night.
When you are a Freddie fan you can twist the truth any way you like, but in reality there are many views of the house dynamics.
It only takes a little bit of imagination to understand why Noirin didn't nominate Sree, and her reasons have been consistent week after week.
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Sorry to hear you think the truth (which I am sure you believe you have a firm grasp of!) is being twisted.
I wouldn't say I am particularly a "Freddie fan" actually, although I have warmed to him given his underdog status in the House, so I think you are rather "twisting" my motivations in order to explain why I might have a different view of things to you.
As for Noirin, I think you are drastically over-simplifying the situation. You are correct that she has consistently nominated Halfwit and failed to nominate Sree but of course there has been a certain narrative to the last week or so in which the relationship between her and Sree appears to have deteriorated drastically and I think it is fair for people to expect changing relationships to be reflected in a person's pattern of nominations. No?
Whatever Halfwit's motivations in granting her his birthday gift I remain committed to the idea that it was a rather base thing to do to nominate him this week.
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It is not a complex situation. Not many Housemates like Freddie and find him annoying; they simply want rid of him (despite the fact the the public bizzarly support him). Noirin has the right to nominate him equally as much as any other HM and has done so week after week.
You are implying that a single televised event of Freddie removing Noirin's glasses should have altered Noirin's perception of Halfwit. The premise is based on a complete lack of understanding of human relationships. We do not know whether Noirin repaid the favour in any other way (perhaps giving him a beer or cooked a meal for him) and your pre-occupation that she should alter her view of Freddie is just not realistic. To marry Freddies "favour" with an insistance that Noirin should suddenly like Freddie and not nominate him is as equally invalid as any suggestion that Lisa shouldn't have nominated him after Freddie gave her one of his ciggies.
Every HM every day will appear to contradict themselves by doing favours or trading insults with others, but when it comes to nominations, the HM's simply state who they don't want in the house.
It is not for the mere public to tell the HM's who they should get along with and who they should get rid of; they are quite capable of discerning for themselves who to nominate.
It IS partizan of you to suggest that an HM should or should not have nominated for X reason, but since we, the public, never get to see the whole picture, we have to assume that ANY HM has the perfect right to nominate anyone and getting mad about it for reason X, is simply lacking understanding.
Whist Noirin has temporarily fallen out with Sree whilst she reasses her relationship with him, it is also crazy to suggest that any minor skirmish that has been televised should result in a sudden attack from Noirin on her once closish friend. Noirin sympathises with Sree's personality and didn't wish to nominate him.
Rather than attack Sree, she chose to turn the other cheek.
That is simply her own choice.
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I am sorry to hear you think I have a complete lack of understanding of human relationships.
Actually, I respect your right to hold an entirely different view to me and I very much doubt that we are going to come to an agreement. However, your repeated claim that I am somehow "partisan" is rather odd. In fact, I am not sure the word is even being used correctly in the context of your post.
Are you saying that I am holding factually incorrect views due to a certain bias? I see no basis for such an accusation, you offer no information to support such a claim and it does not seem to fit well with other parts of your post. So perhaps "partisan" (note the "s") is not what you really mean.
As for whether Noirin should or should not have nominated Halfwit, that is a normative claim. There is a difference between talking about what she has a right to do under the rules, what was "simply her own choice" and what we might judge she should or should not have done, which is normative. So, you see, there is no "lacking understanding" on my part on that particular point. I know exactly what she has a right to do. I am more concerned about what she should have done and, which is connected, what I expected her to do on that basis.
Simply repeating to me that Noirin had the right to make that choice is not going to affect my argument whatsoever, since I already accept that she did have that right.
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The fact you keep denying to yourself is that it is a very plain that Noirin prefers Sree as a companion than to have to live with Freddie. She is entitled without criticism to make that choice.
Your lack of understanding as to why Noirin makes that choice and the fact that your lengthy post culminates in some telling words (above bold), confirms that I am correct in my assertion.
You didn't bite at the example I quoted of Halfwit providing Lisa with cigarettes and then going on to nominate him. Your post contained no impassioned plea to condemn Lisa for her actions.
I agree that we can agree to disagree, however your motivation to post in the first instance was/is partizan (note the "z") insofar that your post takes a partizan stance pro Freddie anti Noirin. You know that and I know that.