[Laruz]

AhmedFan

I watched the HL episode tonight.

I thought his answers to BB regarding how long he thought he'd survive were quite arrogant.

Saying he expected to last at least 6 weeks and probably more.

Pretty arrogant considering he's been up every week.

Seriously, this is pretty pathetic. Maybe he has confidence in his character. The fact that he thought he would survive well into the game hurts no-one.

AhmedFan

So he was thinking through all those weeks that he'd survive all the evictions and make it to week 6 minimum?

Sounds like he made a pact with all you 'fans' prior to the show starting.

He seems to be getting more and more boring, why is this? He was hardly a massive character to begin with, but was better than now.

Your bias towards Freddy is an explanation as to why you single him out. I think all of them are getting more boring due to their self-imposed divides.

And no, I suspect he was thinking that he would get through all these weeks not necessarily through five evictions.

AhmedFan

Yes, for 1 eviction though.

But Halfwit thought he'd get to week 6 min, despite being up for eviction every week, and knowing he'd be up every week after.

And when asked about it in hindsight by BB, he still expected to make it to week 6.

And 'probably much more', as he said.

Quite arrogant. He needs to be more exciting, that's for sure.

Again: who does this hurt?

I don't care if people have ridiculous confidence in themselves, or are arrogant about their achievements. It doesn't hurt others.

AhmedFan
I think he's played the situation very well, but didn't orchestrate it. He realised he was an outsider who was disliked, so made sure he got the best deal of that scenario.

I wouldn't say he's arrogant per se, but is more arrogant than he often appears. Especially when involved in discussions and playing the victim role against Lisa's team.

But make no mistake, he knew he'd survive those evictions.

Again, your claims are at variance with reality. Freddie repeatedly said he was not trying to play the victim both to housemates and to the diary room. You can contend that this was a lie, an emergent property of his schemish gameplan (which would be an extension of your bias) or you can cut it down with occam's razor.

And no: I don't see any evidence where Freddie had absolute confidence he would survive all evictions. He didn't really say when up against Sophia or Cairon. He believed he'd survive against Angel and the others though.

AhmedFan
Because he could have done far more to integrate himself into the group back then, like he is doing now.

Uhm, we do not have live feed. We're in no position to comment on Freddie's actual subtle efforts to integrate. Irrespectively even if not: What do you mean by 'integrate'? I am sure he tried to get along with everyone. In fact he has spent his entire time attempting to get along with everyone in there. A lot of housemates thought simply did not understand him, did not like his tone of voice (believed to be patronising) and found him strange. There's little he can do with that short of putting on a persona or breaking their prejudices.

The outward contempt, bitching and complaints about him came when he expressed his character traits that they misinterpreted, misunderstood and help in contempt. When he tried to defend himself, he was patronising. When he tried to talk to certain people, he was stirring. They consistently invoked ridiculous conspiracy theories about his mentality and his 'gameplanning' and when they couldn't justify them we got pathetic nomination reasons such as "going to bed early", or "eating too loudly".

AhmedFan
He used to sit alone, or make poorly timed goofy comments that p****d everyone off.

He'd then use the angle of 'It's just me being me, I'm a friendly guy, but look - they aren't accepting it'.

Half right.

They weren't accepting him because they felt that he was strange and annoying. Karly, Sophie, Kris, Charlie & Noirin have all led lives socialising with people just like them. Lisa has probably also never really interacted with people like Freddie. Their prejudice guided their interactions with him.

AhmedFan

He'd also debate with them - But they'd get angry, he'd stay calm, thus it looks like he's the one pushed into a corner.

You have got to be pissing me. People who lose their temper like those who argued with Freddie did deserve all the contempt they get. It was infantile. The people Freddie was mostly attempting to make amends with believe that public support by the mob and raising your voice so your opponent cannot get a word in edgeways is a valuable way to win an argument.

The fact he is capable of showing such laid-backness is those situations is a reflection of his cool character.

AhmedFan
He also claimed that the house were screwing him over regarding nominations. Never once did he say, 'Well, I am the outsider, so it's expected that I'd be up a lot. I need to integrate more.'

I agree, and disagree. Lisa (and to a lesser extent Karly) was responsible for spreading hate about Freddie. They were screwing him over. But the end result was that he was made and percieved to be an annoying outsider and consequently was nominated.

Lisa's actions are not calculation, they are passive. 'Nasty' Nick was calculating.

AhmedFan
He did at the start, he was actually part of Team Lisa at the start. But he started to lose his way, then realised the dynamic at hand. Especially when he got nominated for the 1st time - He BACKED OFF, rather than TRYING TO INTEGRATE MORE.

Sources please.

AhmedFan
Yes he did chat sometimes to them, but mostly arguments. Like arguing with Lisa, or arguing with Kris. Again, creates the Team Lisa vs Freddie dynamic. Then when he's alone, he looks lonely. Perfect.

What?

Freddie to my knowledge has never started an argument. He tries to build bridges and understand others, but he never starts arguments.

Freddie's problem with the group was that he was pushy. He was actively attempting to seek their approval and understanding. They were in the mentality that when he approached them he was going to lecture them, and talk down to them. It was their prejudice, not his.

Your complaints are inconsistent and biased. If Freddie was a master gameplayer intent on presenting himself as the underdog and the victim, why on earth would he footbullet himself and state he had massive confidence in getting through the show?

And no, I am not your 'typical big brother fan'.

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Yes, I am that arrogant.