[ElProximo]

[quote]Originally posted by calyman
[quote]Originally posted by ElProximo
[quote]Originally posted by calyman

Originally posted by ElProximo

I found you post offensive and insulting to so many people who choose to make negative comments about gays, lesbians and bis.

Your prevarication is not really the issue here. You cannot on the one hand criticise a poster for being offensive, yet lecture them on the need to understand and accept others whose opinions differ from them. You are in fact the very person you are saying the original poster should not be. do you see this clearly?

Wrong on that. I not only consider her censorship proposals and complaints 'allowable' but even though I disagreed with them I also considered them worthy of consideration.
That is why I engaged them.

As to your more relevant comments, I agree to a degree. Anyone who posits bigoted and offensive comments to others, based on their gender, sexuality, ethnic background etc., should be prepared to justify there opinions. The way to do this is by communication, not telling others to basically "shut up". On the other side of this; if you feel strongly enough about others bigotry, then of cousre, you have the right to challenge such, again, you should not be told to "shut up" and keep your opinions to yourself, for fear of not really "understanding" where the bigot is coming from.

In that regard, you have actgually performed a useful function in developing this communication, though I doubt that was your intention.

Well we agree on that except for your last sentence and that is almost a self-contradicting proposal but there you go.

At lot of this is relating to Marcus' BB rant and even though he was wrong on one charge,
and,
even though Marcus is an intellectual hypocrite,
yet,
He was correct in so far as blaming so many of the 'PC Police' for actually stirring and encouraging racism (in a sort of backhanded way).
I would much rather have someone go about the BB house making all sorts of racist opinions - IF those are sincerely held. (same for anything else too),
and,
The reason I totally welcome that free speech is because that is exactly how and when any opposing views get the chance to win and make a difference.
IF it is wrong and socially unhelpful to mock a way a pakistani speaks english then let it be seen. Bring is to the light of day. Explain why it is.
Show the consequences.
Let the people actually work out why its bad, wrong or good etc.
IF the person is in the wrong and has the worse idea then let it lead to bad consequences for them.
So be it.
By putting down a 'no talk' rule and censoring any ideas you end up actually 'freezing' the various people in their various world views never to be changed, convinced and maybe worse never knowing WHY such a thing is wrong.
30 years from now. An adult is asked why its wrong to criticise homosexuality.
They have no idea. Cant remember where the taboo started and only know that 'society says so'.
You just dont!
That is a bleak future.