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[rquote=2596874&tid=147873&author=setanta][rquote=2596863&tid=147873&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2596769&tid=147873&author=setanta][rquote=2596688&tid=147873&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2596479&tid=147873&author=setanta][rquote=2596447&tid=147873&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2596424&tid=147873&author=setanta][rquote=2596410&tid=147873&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2596402&tid=147873&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2596391&tid=147873&author=MassiveTruck]Bourne is rubbish. A short stumpy man trying be all hard and tough. It's a bit unbelievable for me.

I can believe Bond. Rugged man with a past.

Bourne has just been running around for ages crying oh woe is me, help me, oh no, I lost my memory, they used me.

Oh grow up you pathetic midget. I fell asleep during the 2nd and 3rd films and was wondering for days what the fuss was about the first one.

Now James Bond is far better. Granted Quantum of Solace wasn't that great but Casino Royale was outstanding. Hopefully we're back to form again.[/rquote]

I thought Quantum was awesome, it made up for Casino's lack of action, as part 1 and part 2, they work well together[/rquote]

I didn't really see it as a part 2. I just thought they intentionally made it progressive to make it less episodic like the previous bonds and give it more a serialisation.

Still better than Bourne. That just bores me to death. It borrows from so many other different genres that it's hardly it's own film.[/rquote]

Bourne are superior thrillers in every way imaginable really. Why do you think they decided to make an inferior copy of them with Quantum of Solace? It was really rubbish.


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Bourne is just not surprising. It's like out of a comic book.

The military people are all wooden. They talk as they are wooden.

Bourne has two levels to his personality. 1. Pondering and staring into the horizon. 2. Running around like he's high on coke.

Beyond that - you have a film. That's it.

The difference with Bond is you've got years and years of history. A legendary back story that owes to it's present state. Also the story is now as selfish and self involved as Bourne. Bourne is all about him. Who bloody cares. It's basically like watching a baby cry about his nappy being soiled. Bond has a more fundamental story relating to the premise.

On top of that, making Matt Damon the star in this is silly. He is a short stumpy man. An evolutionary reject that has as much chance of being a secret ops operative as one of the Mr.Men.[/rquote]

That's the whole idea of having or being a spy! They have to blend in and be almost invisible.... Matt Damon is perfect for the role of a lone assassin, inconspicuous and constantly on the alert.

Bond is the stuff of fantasy really..... saving the world nonsense while sh*****g the odd girl or 5. He has never had a place in the real world on film. Bourne is totally superior in that he uses his enviroment and skills to get himself outta tight situations. Watch the films again; he never uses ridiculous gadgets. Relies on his wits and intuition to save himself and learn the truth.

His is a totally selfless quest for the truth. I cannot believe that you can call him self-centred. Have you even watched the films?
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Dude, it might sound "fantasy" but you have to s**g women to save the world. Seduction and sex is one of the biggest weapons in a secret service operatives arsenal.

You say Matt Damon can remain inconspiciuous? Is that because he's a midget?

They are still human, all of them. You cannot be a secret service op if you are not human because you have to interact and achieve assignment based upon human needs and human behaviour.

But how can it be a selfless quest for the truth when, it's all about him...[/rquote]

Bourne is rooted in realism whereas Bond is just pure fiction. Bond was for Fleming what Dracula was for Stoker - a release of all their fantasies and repressed urges. Nothing wrong with that and it makes for an enjoyable read and diverting cinema but they have no foundation in real life.

And it is selfless because he didn't choose this path; he was pushed onto it by a government without compassion or understanding, who have forced him to go on the run and now wont allow him his freedom or identity. He also grieves for the horrors he's been involved with in the name of his country. I think his story is much more accessible and contempary then that of Bond, who is really a relic of the 60's and British imperialism. Hey, I love a good Bond flick but he's not in the same league in terms of realism and grittiness as Bourne.

There's an edge and a great narrative structure to the Bourne films which is brilliantly executed and always engaging. Bond on the other hand is really an exercise in excess and never looks like it's part of our world, with generic, save the world silliness and cheesy one liners. He's not in the same league or planet as Bourne.

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With the way Bourne is highly strung and all worked up about his past, I doubt he could handle being dumped by a girl he dated twice - never mind problems related to Government secrecy.

I think the narrative is far to singular to Bourne and he doesn't appear to have much strength or military training to cope with the obvious nature of working for the government. Somebody should have told him that when you work for the Government, you do crazy stuff. This is inherently a plot hole - his character has teenage delinquent issues. Maybe his Mother didn't let him date certain girls or he liked Bondage - I don't know... but Bourne appears to be the least prepared for the life of espionage ever.

While the Bond sentiment is very much close the terrorism problems of post World War 2 and the nuclear age. It makes sense relating to all the lesser known terrorist activities that were encouraged by lesser states wanting a bigger piece of the remnants of World War 2.

Therefore he is chauvinistic and at times self absorbed because government and national interests are chauvinistic and self driven.

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I hate being abrupt here, but have you even watched the films? [/rquote]

OK...

I watched the first one - I fell asleep during the other two.

Actually... I erm fell asleep during all three and was disappointed over all.

I have realised I need to watch them again.