[rquote=2602198&tid=147499&author=setanta]It's official: you are the biggest wind up merchant on this forum who's posted a meandering essay that displays your total bias on the subject. There's so many of your points(?)that I want to respond to but I don't think you'll ever accept anything I say, no matter how I present my case. Your rhetoric and condemnation is astounding to me actually. Did you even read my comments, where I suggested that people should be given all the facts and dangers surrounding marijuana - just like they do with tobacco and alcohol- and that if the state did legalise it or decriminalise it to a certain extent , at least then it could be taxed and monitored.
Drug taking has always occurred throughout history; cannabis included! It's a naturally grown plant that's been used in many countries and civilisations. You continue to rant on about it not being natural which is so funny when the fecking thing is grown! They're from the same genus (Cannabis!) with hemp often the name used for all but hemp and cannabis are different strains of the plant ... you need to start reading about them before you start announcing that cannabis wasn't used centuries ago and isn't natural when it most definitely was and is.
As for cannabis funding terrorism and crime; criminals will use the black market for a steady cash flow and to lay the blame on cannabis is just plain silly. My example of Prohibition in the States is extremely valid in that criminals will always seize an opportunity to make a fast, illegal buck. It's the illegality of the drug that's the problem with regard to crime and terrorism, not the drug itself. Anything on the black market can be funding terrorism at any moment.... ridiculous to lay the blame entirely on cannabis and really illustrates your crusade here.
As for violent crime, like I said before, alcohol has always been responsible for more death and violence in our society and yet you decide to just turn a blind eye to it. Cannabis is not in the same league as alcohol and even tobacco in terms of addictive qualities and danger to ones health so I think I have a totally valid point in comparing it to them, particularly when you rant on about the government and democracy all the time. They're legal and have always been more dangerous.... where's the logic in that?
Oh, and lets talk about friends and families lives that are being ruined by alcohol right now as we speak or indeed the staggering health bill that countries have to pay for lung disease and heart surgery or cancer. Don't start down that road because cannabis is small fry in comparison to those killers and yet there's no problem with them as long as the governement gets a big slice of peoples taxes in return. Don't bring ethics into this.
It's not about running around and taking advantage of the system by the way... talk about over dramatising your position: you're a reactionary individual who just likes to get a rise out of people rather than to discuss it sensibly. I'm all for free will in a society, particularly when it involves a naturally grown plant and a decision made by an adult with regard to their own recreational time, just like the intake of alcohol, which is a more damaging drug anway -for both the drinker and those around him/her. Let them flake out at home at the weekend rather than smash a few windows or peoples heads in while on drink or drugs. They're not going to damage me on the stuff.
Like I said, if it's legalised adults will have their own choice to make and the middle man - criminals- will be out of the picture and the state will be able to call the shots with regard to supply and taxation and all the rest. And I'll repeat, it's not even in the same league as alcohol, nevermind cocaine and heroin.
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I didn't want to come back here because you haven't got a clue what you're talking about but anyway here I am.
Let me put this straigh.
I DEMAND ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS I POSED. ANSWERS TO ALL THE QUESTIONS.
Is that clear?
Basically your tact is get angry, make accusations and hope in vain that the other person gets angry and responds in anger and then your lack of knowledge won't be an issue in the situations at all... right?
I really do love how you've avoided all the questions I asked you and how you twist it with quotes from wiki, word for word in order to make it look like you know what you're talking about.
Cannabis the drug and Cannabis the plant are 2 very different things.
YOU are using the pro-cannabis websites for information.
The Pro-cannabis websites use this rhetoric that it is only a plant over and over again and fail miserably because anybody who is:
intelligent enough
intellectual enough
will see right through the bullshit and say "oh, but a carrot or a cucumber don't do that to me".
So how can you pathetically insult somebody's intelligence and just call it a plant.
How many plants are in the world?
Is a cucumber plant poisonous? Is a cucumber plant predatory.
Let me ask you a simple straight forward question that you could easily answer
ARE SOME PLANTS DANGEROUS AND ARE SOME PLANTS NOT DANGEROUS?
Is that an easy question because you've avoided so many questions. Let me repeat it.
ARE SOME PLANTS DANGEROUS AND ARE SOME PLANTS NOT DANGEROUS?
It's a simple question isn't it. It's basically fooled the idiots on the pro-cannabis sites, the vast majority drug dealers, where you have to get your arguments from because you're too left wing but not experienced enough to get your own arguments.
Then you use words like biassed, reactionary and nonsense like that. Well the last time I checked, I've used actual facts and actual data and actual research and studies while you've just tried to start an argument and you know why you have?
Simple because you find it hard to believe that maybe, drugs are bad. Maybe, all of these people saying "hey, my son committed suicide because of Cannabis" could be right and the rise in schizophrenia (factors that you so happily ignore) are too much information for your pseudo-liberalised nonsense to stomach.
OK... Here are some natural things.
Black widow spiders, spears, knives, poison, man,
all of these things can kill me.
You use the word natural like it's your new best friend.
Do you know what else is natural? Infection, disease, viruses.
They all kill you.
Some plants, Plants like Hemp are also natural. When somebody dries it up and formulates it, it becomes cannabis and when smoked it becomes drug like. But oddly that's natural to you.
Here's a clue...
It's not natural to me and for most of the world!!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Try to understand the semantics of plant and natural before you use it because the idiots that you copy from the internet for this information only fool people who can't think for themselves.
OK, there are numerous strains of hemp. It's still natural and still dangerous. Still used for terrorist activities and still the major provider to all the people in this country in order to fund terrorist activities. Most of it comes from Afghanistan who kill our soldiers with the arms they bought because we wanted to get stoned.
If you legalise it. (let me repeat this
IF you legalise it... it makes it a law, a law that can be exploited.
Like the human rights law is exploited. Much like many other laws are exploited.
If you make a drug part of a law then criminals will bloody well exploit it.
And let me add something else. You've got to be bat s*** idiotic and completely stupid to think that a law surrounded by a drug won't make life easier for criminals. You have to be flying high as a kite or have as much experience in your life as an embryo - that being none.
You have to be utterly stupid basically or just liberal on the basis of lifestyle and identity.
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Like I said, if it's legalised adults will have their own choice to make and the middle man - criminals- will be out of the picture and the state will be able to call the shots with regard to supply and taxation and all the rest. And I'll repeat, it's not even in the same league as alcohol, nevermind cocaine and heroin.
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Do you know gun licences in the USA are legal? Do you know how many people die there? Do you know there are laws in some countries in the world - do you know how many people suffer?
Did you know in California and other states and countries where they legalised marijuana, over night rehab clinics and rehab marketing and advertisements popped up. A goldmine industry for tonnes of people. Did you know that importing Cannabis into the USA to Cannabis friendly states has led to a rise in money laundering, cross bordering killings and rapes in order to get the drug into marijuana friendly states?
I mean, seriously, anybody and everybody knows that countries that legalise any drug do it to combat deficits in GDP since neighbouring states or countries are beating them with a far more efficient taxation system...
I though that was obvious... it isn't? Oh. News to me.
I mean, you know, in a world where the state controls it - I mean... in your view, the criminal is dead once we legalise drugs.
Wow... I can't believe that logic...
Carry on. I'm not stopping you to be liberal about it but really... read the news. Check out the studies and keep up to date.
It's quite straight forward stuff
but hey if you're for free will and liberty and all that, read up on the people who haven't recovered from hippy flashbacks from the sixties and live day and night from danger of flashbacks.
That's why we have laws against it.
Straight forward and simple but this country lets you choose an identity. I'm not denying you that.
You be happy with that identity mate, but a word of advice... considering what you're saying here. Don't go and volunteer at any mental hospital anytime soon... You may not like what you see.