[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I think the real answer depends on the circumstances. Bringing an innocent baby into the world when youre not ready to raise it or pay for it properly is a huge deal.

Likewise, drinking to the point of being destructive to others or yourself is a huge deal.

These are the two extremes though. A lot of kids drink a little or have sex occasionally with no baby at the end. Or both.

So it's all about moderation and taking precautions.

Both behaviours have a massive drain on taxpayers at the end of the day because some kids are just stupid, irresponsible and excessive.

This.