[Stu]

Oh wow. Another thrilling thread on spirituality that is bound to go in circles. These threads suck because as humans we are in our current state too primitive to grasp all the possible concepts of anything beyond the material realm. You don't nessacerily have to believe in heaven and hell or even a god to believe something exists in or outside or nature and science that has nothing to do with the material realm.

Everyone take some DMT, basically. We are too arrogant and thick for our own good. I do think an intelligence of sorts exists. I'm not sure what it is. No man can tell me.

People who utterly dismiss the concept of anything beyond the material realm are as extreme as those who claim a personal relationship with god.