[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes Jews eat Kosher meat, in much the same way that Muslims eat Halal meat. It doesn’t show a lack of understanding of the modern world at all. I think you show a lack of understanding if you think that the way animals are slaughtered in abattoirs is any better. And you can be a Jew and a veggie or a vegan.

I still think it's out of step with the modern world.

And nope I'm not saying the way non kosher meat is done is better, I'm saying that I think the way Jewish people don't have a choice in what they put into their bodies seems primitive.

Circumcision isn’t just a religious thing. For instance the majority of men in the USA are circumcised for reasons that have nothing to do with religion. It’s not outlawed because it’s a recognised medical procedure, unlike the "modern" passion for punching holes through clitorises and penises and other parts of the body.

Well I was talking about the way it's done to minors and they have no say in it, this seems really wrong to me.

Tell Rabbi Julia Neuberger that you can’t be a religious leader http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_N...ness_Neuberger … then see if you can find an equivalent position to hers in… say… Catholicism. And I might mention that Israel had a female prime minister years before the UK did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golda_Meir

Thank you for the links, I didn't know women could become rabbi. But like all major religions I think this one is very sexist too.

I think you’ll find an equal amount of wars have been caused by greed, vanity and avarice. Religious people do not have the monopoly on hating each other and causing wars. Sometimes people with no religion show a monumental lack of understanding by feeling they have a right to criticise freely people who do follow a religion without knowing the first thing about what it means.

I still believe there would be less suffering in the world without religion.