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Originally Posted by Redway

I personally don't think what the mother of the baby did was wrong. Sometimes children provoke parents to it - after all, different cultures and backgrounds discipline children in different ways. I'm white, and have been brought up in a white family (obviously) and arguments and shouting at, yes, but that's it. My black and yellow friends have much stricter parents than your typical white does, really. Of course, the poor baby's only...well...a baby, but at least there's discipline there, unless it was a totally unprovoked attack. In which case, I'd agree that she's a vile bitch and had NO right to do any of that.

Originally Posted by Redway

D'you know what, guys. You can throw all the names at me, but I'll definitely stand by what I said. It's a public forum and I'm allowed my views on a topic without being insulted. You don't agree, which is fine, but I'll still stand firmly by what I said

Originally Posted by Redway

^^^^^^^^^^Because, guys, they're your opinions. Personally, I believe in firm disciple - prepared to get an awful lot of flack for it, yeah, but they still won't change. I don't believe in saying "No, that's wrong" and the lot. As I said, if it was random and unprpvoked, she's a horrible woman, but if it was necessary, I believe they should be given very firm discipline. I'm not changing my view on this matter, so you can all throw names and that at me, but I respect your views, so why not let me have mine?

Originally Posted by Redway

Last para. - exactly. People DO turn out differently and I'll stand by what I said. Anyway, that's all I have to say on this, really.

Originally Posted by Redway

To be honest, I have nothing more to say on this, other than what I said before. Honestly. I know how strongly use all feel about this, and I have IMMENSE respect for that, but I honestly don't have anything else to say

Originally Posted by Redway

Disobedience, really. I know the majoroty of you won't agree, but parents do have different levels of tolerance. Maybe I was wrong in saying that was totally fine and perhaos upon hindsight and re-watching that clip the baby dodn't deserve that...BUT parents do have only so much they can cope with and I did say that if it was a random attack she deserves the beating, really, but if the baby was really getting on her nerves ansd she broke down for a few minutes, I can understamd her actions. Maybe some cpunselling for her's needed in that case. But if the baby didn't do owt, I completely get the negative reaction and would have no sympathy for her, either.

Originally Posted by Redway

To be fair, after re-watching it, I was way too harsh, but maybe the mum needs some help, really. That's the only way I can put it. If you don't want to accept, that's entirely up to you. I've said my piece and, to be honest, that may have been well too harsh on the baby.

Originally Posted by Redway

Above posts: changed my mind. I realised I was *bitterly* wrong and I will gladly admit that.

After reading all of your previous posts saying how much you believe in firm discipline, that you didnt' care how harsh your opinion was, repeatedly you said that you weren't changing your stance: I am not convinced that you actually HAVE truly changed your opinion. I'll accept you saying you have, but I'm not entirely sure you have.

Each to their own though. You say you have.

Personally any adult who raises their hands to a baby - needs serious help. The baby is the defenceless one: the adult is meant to be the mature responsible person who is meant to protect the baby from harm: not be there to inflict the harm.

If the mother was reaching frantic levels: she should have removed herself from the situation by whatever means: and not lashed out at the baby.