[Marsh.]

There is no correlation between the two Pyramid. One is premeditated, an adult making the decision to carry out the action for whatever purpose and the other is instinctive. If someone started getting in your face, shoving you around and not letting up, you automatically without thought will fight back. Try as you can to get them off you.

You laugh off the thought of a two children fighting being "self-preservation" but it doesn't just apply to life and death situations. It's an inbuilt reflex to protect yourself we as humans possess.

The subject of this thread is about whether the act of choosing to smack a child to keep them in line is right or wrong. Niamh's stance quite clearly lies in the "no violence" line when it comes to pre-meditation but where it's an automatic reflex to protect yourself then it is understandable as a defence mechanism. Not choosing violence to solve a disagreement. Two very different things imo.