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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ
1) They would never be the single orders in this situation because the battle field is a dynamic environment of semi-organised chaos. But I think dead or alive is a pretty blunt objective. It's not like they say "preferably alive, but y'know, sh*t happens".
2) I'm a real advocate for human rights, and in an ideal world he should have had his day in court. The thread is about whether it was lawful or not to kill him, and it absolutely was lawful.
3) Because that's what "dead or alive" means. It's the "dead" part of the sound byte.
The guy who actually shot OBL said he was either trying to push his wife in front of him or was actually hiding behind her when he went in to the room. I'm paraphrasing. That would clear up any legal argument if any were needed as a last defence. But the killing was lawful, so of course it's not necessary, but we're playing what ifs.
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How is it legal, which court decided that the US had the right to run an armed operation in another country without the permission from that country's government.
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Originally Posted by lostalex
He declared war on America, so normal laws don't apply. The laws of war are different.
If he wanted a fair trial, he had 10 years to surrender himself and get a trial. Clearly he didn't want a trial, if he did he had plenty of opportunities to turn himself in to the justice system.
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A fair trial? When rightly or wrongly he believed his actions were justified.
Why should he submit himself to a trial by the US, when he beleived them to be the enemy. Can one man "declare war" on a country?
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Originally Posted by lostalex
umm, no. The ones who continued fighting and did not surrender did not get a trial, they were killed on the battlefield.
OBL did not surrender. If he did, he would have gotten his trial. He choose to continue fighting on the battlefield, and therefore it was absolutely lawful for him to die in the battlefield.
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Was he given a chance to surrender? Did the Seal team annouce who they were and under what jurisdiction they were operating. He was taken out in a house not on a battlefield.
Its interesting to note that as soon as the "hit" had been confirmed and he had been identified the SEAL left the area without waiting for the local police to investigate.