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Old 15-05-2013, 11:37 PM #7
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I don't want to be asked in a referendum and that is despite my Parents voting no in 1975.Although they would now vote yes to stay in.

I don't believe the public, who may have little knowledge of the workings of the EU would in a referendum get a fair balanced argument from the media.
So much so I believe the UK could sleepwalk into leaving the EU since people just wouldn't be able to make their minds up and not vote,leaving those really anti EU to go out and vote to leave.

I would also question holding the referendum 2 years after an election too, why not hold the referendum when you can get the maximum vote out in a General election.
David Cameron vaguely says he would spend 2 years negotiating.(negotiating what would be a start to understanding this more), and then that he'd hold a referendum sometime before the end of 2017.

In 2015 we will have had an election,in 2016 there will be local elections, as there will be in 2017,then later in that year he is indicating he will bring in a referendum.
People will be sick of voting,it would likely get the lowest turnout ever.
The date of the referendum is one of the most important decisions that would ever need to be taken.

I certainly don't trust David Cameron with this issue and if he cannot lay better guidelines down than this now then he should never have opened his mouth and started this all off anyway since he has no intention of addressing the issue for another 2 years and only if he gets an overall majority.

Again though,what kind of overall majority, he needs to be at least 6.5% ahead of Labour just to barely scrape a possible bare overall majority at all.
He will have MPs who are pro EU, if the referendum seemed like being lost and he had say a 30 overall majority it would only take 20+ of his MPs to vote against the referendum and then he would not be delivering such a referendum.

That I believe is exactly what he would do, he would be bringing out the ''I haven't got the arithmetic to get the referendum bill through again'', because of his small majority.

Meantime we now have near 4 years of uncertainty as to the EU and Govt Ministers saying they would vote to come out in a referendum now and none can say what the PM will be looking to negotiate again in any detail.
What a shambles of a Govt. when the UKs economy is still far from stable,what a dangerous thing to have even raised and I believe the voters will be well sick of the whole saga by the time the election comes round.

This will I believe massively backfire on David Cameron and his govt, I just wish the Lib Dems would now becasue of this walk away and call his bluff, force an election and make him spell out all the details that are needed now,not 2 years time because most people I talk to haven't a clue really as to the EU and they certainly have no faith in David Cameron's word as to anything and clearly neither has near half of his backbenchers in truth after tonights farce.

David Cameron says he is relaxed about it all,oh yeah and I have just seen £10 notes growing on trees instead of leaves.
He is really a very weak leader and he has turned into a poor PM too,like Gordon Brown before him, not up to the job at all.

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