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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier
Not even just working class people, they screwed the lower-middle class (which makes up the largest percentage of the population, I think?) In the 80s too and are doing the same now. Especially younger people who werent lucky enough to be in a financially secure position before the recession hit.
They hoodwinked people into voting for them last time, it's that simple. They said "look at the mess Labour has made! But don't worry, we'll fix it!" And millions of people who didn't have a clue about politics outside of their own back yard fell for it. I actually worked with a girl, definitely working class with two young children, who was banging on about voting Conservative and how they would fix things and how their pledges all sounded great, and I said several times before giving up, "they will screw you and your family to the wall". She wasnt listening, and now she's all over facebook moaning about the ConDems constantly.
Though I think that says a lot. Even after the questionable ethics of Blair and the political vacuum of Brown that followed, the Conservatives still only managed to scrape into power by annexing the LibDems. If you think of it in terms of a "clean slate", that vote should have been a landslide, but it wasn't even enough for a majority government.
I saw someone in another thread claim that "labour get in and spend all the money and then the conservatives get back in and fix it", a never ending pendulum. I agree about the pendulum but... Look at it from the other perspective. The Conservatives get in and BREAK every piece of infrastructure we have, and then once they're out it costs a fortune to try to fix it. Then they get back in by bleating on about excessive spending, and proceed to smash it all to pieces again.
The voting percentages last time show that most people definitely hadn't forgotten Thatcher, and little Dave has handily refreshed the memories of those who had.
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I go fully with your pragraph in bold,
The 2010 election should have been the easiest ever for an opposition to party to win,it shouldhave been as you said a landslide yet David Cameron not only fell short but fell well short,19 seats in fact.
In fact had Labour held just about another 18 seats then it is more likely the Lib Dems would have pushed harder for a Coalition with them.
Alex Salmond of the SNP in fact still wanted that tried since he said there was a strong anti Conservative vote as to parliament.
I actually think myself, this is possibly still from a change as to politics that stems from what happened in 1997 with Tony Blair and his success.
There are issues that the Electorate will not again fully trust the Conservatives with,such as the NHS.
This is why in my view,it is going to be hard for the Conservatives to win outright for a good while in the future at least.
I believe that is something the Labour win in 1997 changed considerably.
The Conservatives have now never taken over 36% in a general election since 1992,all through this parliament after the first 6 months, they have been consistently in the lower 30s percentage wise and Labour in the higher 30s.
I think that is actually a firm position now. Labour's lead is not always great although polls like 32% for Con and 39% for Labour can in effect be the same thing in a poll that says Con 35% and Labour 36% because of the accepted margin of error.
Add to that the fact that Labour only needs to be just 2.5% ahead of the Conservatives and still get a likely overall majority whereas the Conservatives need to not just be that but have to be more like 6% ahead of Labour to scrape likely the barest of overall majorities.
The fact is, none of the leaders are great PM choices, the voters have been let down many times before.They don't really like any of them.
Margaret Thatcher was never a particularly liked leader but she won 3 elections.
Reading the run up to the 1979 election ,Jim Callgahan was apparantly far and away the leader liked the most with Margaret Thatcher well down the running but she still won the election.
These welfare changes as more and more are planned and announced and also the distrust as to Cameron as to the NHS, I then cannot see where anyone who felt they couldn't vote Conservative in 2010 will do so in 2015.
Those voters,(and I know of a good number too), that took Cameron at his word as to no across the board full reform of the NHS and gave him their vote in 2010, will not also be doing so in 2015 after him doing the total opposite.
Now also the feeling against the bedroom tax is gaining momentum and their policies outlined now are likely to get little support too now.
There is simply no compassion at all to their planned policies just discrimination against the poorest and weakest.