[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
A lot of questions to answer here Ruth?

I don't have too much time today, so I shall have to be a little brief.


Jade said sorry, for her children and she realised that she had offended some people and wanted to make things right.

Yep, she wanted to make things right - for herself.

Jade obviously looked concerned, after she went into the Diary Room and Big Brother mentioned their concerns. She apologised to Shilpa immediately. Jade is owning up to her mistakes and not messing about either.

You are a master at not actually answering the questions that people ask you. You go on and on and on about debate, but actually you are not debating one bit. You are absolutely refusing to even take any notice of anything that anyone says who doesn't agree with you.

Regarding Jade's apology. So we agree that it was only after Jade had been warned by BB of how her behaviour was being perceived that she apologised. She clearly didn't care one iota for Shilpa's feelings before they warned her. Why would she suddenly care afterwards? She apologised because she thought people would think badly of her, and she was worried about herself. That was utterly transparent, unless of course you refused to see it.

Shilpa chose not to complain, probably because, Shilpa is a nice natured person and although she was disgusted with Jade, Jo and Danielles behavior, she didn't want to be known as a troublemaker to offensive remarks on an edited show

So now you are saying that Shilpa was disgusted by Jade, Jo and Danielle's behaviour. And you are saying that she didn't complain because she didn't want to be a trouble maker. Yet earlier, you said that she didn't complain because there was nothing to complain about. If you are right that she didn't want to cause trouble then that says plenty about Shilpa's nature. It does not for one second suggest that Jade and co did nothing wrong.

I didn't want Shilpa to win either. Also, people don't have to trust Shilpa's judgement & choices of decisions. But many do and that is the "tough" part of my previous comment.

So, I could say 'tough' then about the fact that you seem to trust Jade's judgement and choices and decisions. In fact, you not only seem to trust them, but to defend them fiercely.

The (part-time-racist) comment, is basically a way of explaining people who for 99% of the time, will treat people equally, however, if they meet someone who is Asian or Black or whatever, if they were assaulted by someone of that category, or slaggged off in a major way, an odd word or phrase may slip out in a moment of anger. I would say that it is better to do that, than assault someone physically.

Riiiiight. I must have missed the bits where Shilpa assaulted Jade, Jo or Danielle or slagged them off in a major way then. But you know what? Even if Shilpa had behaved like a complete and utter bitch in that house, it would still not justify the racial remarks they made. If someone treats you badly (and I don't remember Shilpa actually treating any of them badly), you have every right to be angry at them. Still doesn't make it right to make racist comments to them or about them.

Part 2 of your question, Is Jade Goody a part time racist?

The answer:- Only Jade herself would know that.

Okay - I don't actually remember asking that, but the point is - there is no such thing as a part time racist. Would you say someone is a part time vegetarian if they ate no meat all week, but ate a bacon sandwich every Sunday?

But, for many watching the edited footage, they may believe that those offensive words and comments, with possible racial-over-tones could convince certain people that she is.

Oh yes, the editing. We all know BB is edited. But they didn't put those words into her mouth did they? She said them. And those offensive words and comments were what made people think she is a racist - not the editing.

If you say something in anger, or a moment of rage.

Then, we all can slip up.

Yes - some of us slip up and let out our true feelings about other colours or other races.

Nobody can experience racism, unless they have had racial abuse hurled at them.

But, if you are an English white woman? Then, would it be the same way?

Not sure what you are asking. Are you saying that white people cannot experience racism? What planet are you living on?

Jade and Jo and Danielle didn't like Shilpa. That is it!!

No, it isn't it. Not liking someone is one thing. Making racist comments about them is another thing entirely.

Regarding the restraint part and the over-the-top part.

Some was over-the-top and the way the girls handled some of the situations were more restraint.

In which situations did they show restraint? What 'situations' are you referring to? What did Shilpa ever do to them that would make them have to show restraint?

Jade was remorseful. She does care and I can look a the various interviews and see how well she makes us understand the truth, which comes from her own lips.

I can look at those interviews as well. I see something quite different to you.