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Old 26-05-2014, 03:14 PM #25
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I agree that immigration is a problem, it's just not as base or as simplistic as the homeless and starving population argument as the issues raised in here. They are important singular issues, that the government and the (mostly) rw rags throw together to appeal to all of the middle-England Galahads. I thought the neo-nazi party was actually banned in Germany? Obviously you can't stop people joining the underground version, but I'm sure it's not a realistic option at the voting booth (although I remember reading that somewhere ages ago - so it may not actually be true, and typing this whilst eating bacon is the limit of my my multitasking ability).

I agree a serious discussion and idea session needs to happen to combat the people who just basically want to steal from us (I do get that), but that is a separate debate from what we do/don't provide for the generational families of the UK.
Yes, I agree. The "poor and starving" arguments are not mine. They are the issues that have been used to fight the election. They are emotive issues and they do exist, so it's easy to understand why those issues are used.

It's the perception of immigration that most people who voted UKIP have that has swung the vote. The perception that newcomers are getting something to which they're not morally entitled. And there are instances of that happening... and they are the instances that get the press. It's the same in other countries I imagine, which is why we've had the swing to the right.

The main parties have hedged and ducked and dived and generally avoided addressing people's concerns. Worse, if a discussion has been started, people have been labelled racists because they want to talk about it. It's a mare's nest. Hopefully, something positive will come out of this swing to UKIP. I'm pretty pessimistic about that though. But then a pessimist is just a well-informed optimist.
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