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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

There is no time or space here to examine social political economics, but I take umbrage at your remark that I have made a 'snobby' comment, and I am sorry that you have also misunderstood my post. I was raised in poverty in a 3 up 2 down terrace house owned by the local colliery. My mother - a devout Catholic - had 3 jobs all her life. My father worked as a 'ripper' at the local pit - a lifelong job interrupted only by his 8 years serving pre-war, through the war, and afterwards, in the army. Neither of my parents had a dishonest bone in their bodies. We were poor. The only decoration we had in the house were tatty plaster statues of Christ and the Virgin Mary. I was 'socially aware' of the gulf between 'rich' and 'poor', and the reasons behind it , at the age of 8 - something which has coloured my political leanings ever since towards socialism. I am 'working class' and proud to be working class, but that does not mean that I am blinkered to reality. In my opinion - and I have to generalise, but realise that there are exceptions - one of the greatest threats to life in Britain as we have known it (and there are others) is the unfettered rise of the 'underclasses' - not 'working classes, - 'underclasses' - uneducated, moral-less, ignorant, work-shy males who 'couple' with uneducated, moral-less, ignorant, work-shy females. A 'soft' welfare system riddled with loop-holes allowing abuse, affords them to breed irresponsibly, and the offspring are 'raised' without education, morals, parental guidance, discipline, or consideration for others. The cycle continues and each generation is more degenerate than the previous one. Hence; a society which is teetering on the brink of collapse - drugs, crime, anti-social behaviour all increasing. For the first time in history, there are more 'state dependant' 'citizens' than privately employed workers. "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. The essential causes of Rome’s decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars."
Will Durant, Caesar and Christ.

In my opinion, Dee is a product of the above and a member of the 'underclasses'. She is a hypocrite, completely false - and thoroughly dishonest in being so - manipulative, and totally without genuine consideration for other people or other people's feelings. As for her being 'intelligent'; I still maintain that she is not intelligent but devious, cunning, and 'street' smart - there is a difference. Like others before her, Dee entered the house on a tsunami of public affection (though why mystifies me) and was made favourite to win. If she possessed genuine intelligence, she would have made sure that the she maintained the false 'façade' which gained her that popularity in the first place. However, she did not. The mask slipped, and the caring 'Earth Mother' was soon exposed as the foul-mouthed, ignorant, manipulative, bullying back-stabber and disrespectful, overly ambitious 2 faced pig she really is, and - quite evidently - always has been. She (and George) are like those entertainers who can readily fill a 3 minute slot on someone else's show, but fail miserably to entertain when given a 60 minute show of their own - a fake persona - like a lack of talent - is soon exposed over time.

You also misunderstand my point about 'reverence' for genuine celebrities. I meant reverence in the true meaning of the word; 'to have respect'. I am not asking anyone to 'curtsey' or 'doff their cap', and I agree that most HM's in there are just very fortunate to be awarded 'celebrity' status - none more so than Dee and George. What I meant to illustrate - and obviously failed to do - was that Dee's dominant bullying behaviour and aggressive attitude with 'bona fide' (for want of a better term) celebrities, does not marry with her meek and mild self-effacing statements; "It's hard for me when I don't think I should be in here anyway. I'm not a celebrity" etc. etc. I ought to call her Uriah Heep instead of Truffle Pig; "Ever so humble, Mr Copperfield". No; from day one, she slid into her celebrity role in the house with pure acceptance of it. From day 2 she was acting as if she owned the house.

She is an abhorrent person and I detest her and all that she stands for, I am sorry if you do not agree.

Oh Dear, you really do dislike Dee, don't you. We will just have to agree to disagree.
Iam sorry to hear about your poverty in childhood, the social divides in this country were and are horrific. I too came from poverty, but for different reasons than yours. My father was in the RAF and away a lot. Only thing I respected him for was he rose through the ranks on his own merit, not by some birth right but he was a self absorbed bully. We walked around with holes in our shoes, stuffing them with newspaper which then came out soggy in minutes, whilst he had hand made shoes and a wardrobe full of clothes.
I to am a socialist and feel very strongly about my beliefs. But I try not to judge people who swear and also not at face value, an example being Frenchy who under all the extremism and noise I thought was a sensitive person who is kinds itch Dee, I cannot see her confident behaviour and ability to speak he mind makes her a bad person. When I compare her behaviour to that of James, she seems like a saint !
Any way, its all nearly over so thank goodness for that!