[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=Mazz01;7356845]Haha that rumour has actually been debunked by James Hall the ambulance driver who's work colleague had since said that Mr Hall had lied about the whole incident, there was no injection by Dr Greenson and they were certainly Not at Marilyn's that evening?

I am supposed to be 're-modelling' our bathroom (to use American parlance) so I haven't really got a lot of time, but I will delight in answering you later in full.

For now, can you tell me just what source you are relying on to make the above emboldened statement? Because, as I know from years of my own research, it depends who you read on whether James Hall took 14 polygraph tests and passed all, or if he took just one and failed, whether James Hall accepted $400,000 for his story by the Globe newspaper or if he never tried to capitalise on his story, whether Hall's driver Murray Leibowitz supported Hall's story with similar testimony or if he said he had no recollection of being at Marilyn's during that fateful morning etc etc.

I think therefore, that; as you were not principally involved in Marilyn's final hours and have no personal, direct eyewitness knowledge of what actually transpired during her last hours but are as reliant on the existing documentation as I am to inform you, then you should refrain from arrogantly handing out advice regarding my "being seduced by these scandalous murder theory books done by Slatzer and Donald Wolfe" and especially that I need to "really need to put those books down."

As to; "As i have noted from your post you go with the Kennedy's murder theroy but please explain how exactly did they kill her? yes the police records were confiscated for the simple reason that Marilyn was having an affair with the president...yes that part is true and lets Not forget all the other woman in his life who had been secrely involved with him and some even go on record saying they had actually got pregnant by JKF - Judith Exner for one, and he also had an affair with his private secretary Mimi Alford and probably many many more...did these woman also get murdered i think Not, so what was so special about Marilyn;s relationship, i feel many of these woman knew the same has what Marilyn knew?"

Very briefly, Marilyn's situation with JFK and Bobby was unique because all the other women mentioned were not 'Marilyn Monroe' but 'fishwives and housewives' by comparison, and that being so, they did not share with JFK mutual 'friends' like mobster 'boss of all bosses' Sam Giancana.

As Joe Kennedy was a mobster himself, this covert close personal relationship of JFK's with Giancana is hardly surprising, but it nonetheless beggars the question of just what dealings and conversations Kennedy had with Giancana which Marilyn was directly privy to. In addition, we know Kennedy discussed matters of State Security with Marilyn, and as Marilyn was sleeping with both these powerful men, then who knows what information was passed to and fro by way of 'pillow talk'. Extra marital affairs might embarrass the Kennedy's in respect of the other woman they 'conquered' and used, but they had reason to really fear Marilyn exposing to the world what she knew about them, and only a fool would think otherwise given the unique circumstances of this matter .


"Anyhow, how do you think the Kennedy's physically killed her? With
Nembutal? Doubtful."

Is it beyond the realms of high logical probability that the best way to murder Marilyn Monroe and avoid detection, is via an administration of a lethal overdose of drugs and making it look suicide, given her use of the same, and her history of depression?

Bear in mind also that Bobby Kennedy himself visited Marilyn to try to appeal to her not to execute her threats to 'go public' with what she knew, and also to convince her to accept why he could not see her again, and why she should no longer attempt to contact him. Kennedy knew that Marilyn would not listen to anyone else and he arrogantly believed (probably because of her gullibility before with both JFK and him) that only he himself was capable of dissuading her. The evidence that he was in L.A and at Marilyn's that day and night, and also, therefore that the Kennedy 'alibi' that he was in Frisco was lies, is overwhelming. However, despite Kennedy's confidence, Marilyn erupted in anger at his attempts to end the relationship and her furious reaction and reinforced threats to reveal all to the world, determined his reaction and forced his hand. There was no time to plan an auto accident, a 'disturbed' burglary or any other manner of murdering her. It had to be now and Kennedy knew just how to achieve it - Marilyn's psychiatrist Ralph Greenson.

"There WAS a police report. I don't kn what you're referring to.
The conspiracy theories have GOT TO GO."


And what a 'police report' - Jack Clemmons a 15 year LA Police Veteran, who is the first officer on the scene, sees through the B.S staged death scene, notes rigor mortis in the corpse, detects Housekeeper Eunice Murray's 'vagueness and evasiveness, and perceives how overly desperate Marilyn's psychiatrist Ralph Greenson was to convince him that Marilyn committed suicide by swallowing the contents of all the empty pill bottles so conveniently arranged on her bedside table - complete with their caps all neatly screwed back on. Clemmons does not buy into this 'suicide' and declares that Marilyn was murdered. Within one hour Clemmons is replaced by Det Sgt Sergeant Marvin Iannone Bobby Kennedy's own personal 'dirty Tricks' cop and the very cop who'd been at the house earlier.

Clemmons views were 'dismissed' as was the evidence of Marilyn's neighbour along with other witness evidence not favourable to the 'official' sanitised Kennedy-friendly version of events.

As to the glass on the floor which 'turned up' on later photographs, the original officers on the scene swear it was not there when they inspected Marilyn's bedroom upon their arrival. That's a big a mystery as the blood smears on the bedroom wall seen in early police photographs but which magically have disappeared in later versions, and Eunice Murrays changing testimony - among other 'mysteries'.

"For all of you that believe Marilyn was somehow 'murdered'...what about
Marilyn's history of overdoses and drugabuse, hospitalization and
depression? is that beeing pushed aside and denied in favor of some
slanderous theory?

Marilyn overdosed several times and was saved each time by either
Arthur Miller or Paula Strasberg.... The last two years of Marilyn's life showed mayor depression, serious drug issues and detoxes, in and out of hospitals....
She nearly overdosed TWICE in the last few weeks before her actual
death! Magazines of that time predicted her actual suicide!! Yes, that
is true!!! (I have many vintage magazines). Now, those are the
facts....conspiracy theories have no proof at all. Where is the actual
proof?"

All the historical data above is not evidence of Marilyn's suicide, merely an indicator of just why if someone with a vested interest in having her murdered, would choose a 'suicide by drug overdose' as the best way to achieve it.

As I said, I have not time here to reproduce all the compelling evidence that Marilyn did not commit suicide but will do so later.

"The one thing that nobody from the conspiracy camp can seem to tell me
is HOW did the Kennedy's actually kill Marilyn?
She died from a drugover dose...is this the normal way to kill somebody?
I have heard stuff like "she was forced to take the pills"...how by
being hypnotized by a swinging pendulum....i mean, come on!!!"

That last nonsense is not worthy of you, and the Kennedy's did not murder Marilyn - Ralph Greenson did at Bobby Kennedy's behest.

"There is NO evidence Marilyn was murdered. Absolutely none. Zippo. It
is very misleading to claim that there is actual proof. There are
'mystery sources', like secret bugs in Marilyn's house - again where
are these secret tapes...hear-say, rumours and speculation....none of
it amounts to PROOF. If there was they would have proven it a long time
ago"

The tapes did exist - numerous credible witnesses heard them, and if they never existed, then why were they seized by the Secret service and why did Otash lodge a law suite in 1966 to have them returned?

No - Strip away all the inevitable false testimony by cranks, money grubbing 'opportunists', and Kennedy haters with their own axe to grind, and sift through the fake 'facts' introduced by those with a vested interest in 'debunking' the murder theorists, and there remains a hard core of evidence which compels that Marilyn was murdered. Such evidence ranges from the testimony of unimpeachable witnesses (most of it inexplicably suppressed, dismissed or ignored) as well as all the overwhelming circumstantial evidence, the many cases of vital evidence going 'missing', and vital body organs being mysteriously destroyed before they can be forensically examined.

As with all cases of any criminal activity by powerful politicians or state, witnesses who do step forward have their evidence suppressed or have their credibility undermined by being depicted as cranks or worse, by the all
powerful propaganda machines and state organisations which the guilty parties definitely control; Media, FBI, CIA, Police, District Attorney's Office etc etc. This is exactly what has transpired in this case with Clemmons and other genuine witnesses being rubbished or 'dismissed'. Then there are the other witnesses are too intimidated to say anything publicly until the men in power have died, or the state control changes hands and the threat of retribution has diminished or safely disappeared altogether.