[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not sure if you yourself are not properly remembering what you've said in other threads, or possibly not realising the implications of what you have said. Here is an illustrative quote:

You are saying that there is a biological, genetic profile for a terrorist and you can only possibly be implying that that genetic profile is passed down through the ancestral lines of people all across the middle east. Unless, you're implying that all Muslim extremists are the offspring of other Muslim extremists? Because, clearly, this is not the case... many young Muslims get caught up in extremism and terrorist cells despite their parents being perfectly tolerant, peaceful people.

So, whether you realise it or not, you are implying that all middle-eastern people have "sub-human" or savage natures simply because of their racial bloodline. If this is NOT what you think or what you mean, then you really need to reconsider how you phrase quotes like the ones above, or perhaps your understanding of genetics and what that would imply about an entire population, not just a direct ancestral line.

No, I am not confused about what I am saying, or the meaning of what I am saying. It is you who is confused about what I’m saying – either that, or you are deliberately trying to alter my argument so that you can continue to be seen to be countering it, which I am frankly finding tiresome.

Let us start with what you refer to as your “illustrative quote” of what I said:

“Murderous inhuman savagery is in these terrorists blood, in their sub-human genes, and in their black hearts and warped minds, and has been for thousands of years”

Now by this statement, if I was “implying that all middle-eastern people have "sub-human" or savage natures simply because of their racial bloodline” as you so wrongfully allege, then I would not have qualified such a statement with the word “terrorist”, I would simply have written; “Murderous inhuman savagery is in the blood of all middle eastern people etc.”

I wrote what I meant. I meant exactly what I wrote, and I most clearly identified the subject about whom I was writing, by writing ‘terrorists’ as clearly distinct from “all middle-eastern people”.

On to your next contention:

“You are saying that there is a biological, genetic profile for a terrorist and you can only possibly be implying that that genetic profile is passed down through the ancestral lines of people all across the middle east.”.

In the above statement, you are actually nearly correct, but in making it, you very conveniently ignore my earlier statement to you in this very thread, which is reproduced below:

“So I am not referring to the ordinary Muslim in any of my posts, nor to any specific Middle Easter country or people “

However, that glaring exclusion apart, because psycopathic personality traits are genetically inherited by children from parents, and hence, where one or both parents are terrorists who hail from, or reside in, the middle east, then I am definitely saying as much – yes – and below is just why I am saying it:

Because there is irrefutable evidence from years of different scientific research, that psycopathic personality traits are genetically inherited by children from parents.

Because, there are numerous other cases of scientific research – including one by psychologists at the University of Edinburgh who carried out a study of more than 800 sets of twins – where it was found that genetics were more influential in shaping key traits than a person's home environment and surroundings.

So ‘Nature’ – genetic inheritance – is the dominant factor over ‘Nurture – external environmental interaction – when it comes to determining an offspring’s character.

Or put another way: Inhuman monster terrorist mama or papa = inhuman monster terrorist ‘mini me’s’.

Further; If inhuman monster terrorist family live in the middle east, then that explains why the middle east is unique in that it has 1,400 years of almost unbroken war and evil atrocities, and over the same period has the continually greatest ‘clustering’ of perpetrators of such war and evil atrocities than any other region on Earth.

“Unless, you're implying that all Muslim extremists are the offspring of other Muslim extremists? Because, clearly, this is not the case... many young Muslims get caught up in extremism and terrorist cells despite their parents being perfectly tolerant, peaceful people.”

No – I’m not ”implying that all Muslim extremists are the offspring of other Muslim extremists” and once again you are so conveniently ignoring what I said to you earlier in this thread;

“One study (in Stockholm in 2002, I think) into the children of serial killers who were adopted as infants and raised by ‘normal’ non-sociopath parents, found that all of the children studied definitely possessed inherited psychopathic tendancies, but the report concluded that positive environmental influences early in life can prevent such tendencies from ever manifesting themselves”.

I’ve never said that all children of terrorists become terrorists, I said that all children of terrorists inherit their parents evil, psychopathic character traits, but that only in a precise set of circumstances will those traits cause some of the children to become terrorist.

And to prove as much, I said to you earlier:

“I think of it as the estranged children of psychopaths having ‘time bombs’ in their brains or psyche, and some can live normal lives, whilst others who encounter the precise set of circumstances needed to ‘detonate’ that bomb, will explode”.

Ok – these were in response to your hypothesis about ‘adopted’ children of terrorists, but the sentiment remains the same.

As for:

“many young Muslims get caught up in extremism and terrorist cells despite their parents being perfectly tolerant, peaceful people.”

Yes, they do, but this really not relevant in the context of your objection to the points I made in my two posts.

However, I have always believed that no sane, decent human being can ever be radicalised into carrying out inhuman evil acts, unless the propensity, the desire to do so is already within them – no matter how deeply buried that propensity is.

In addition, I believe strongly that such cases could be attributable to ‘Atavism’, where genes from an ancestor may have lain ‘dormant’ for generations before surfacing in certain children.

Rather like white parents giving birth to a black child.

I have actual experience of this which I related in an early thread, where I was seated at a business seminar with about 30 young Asians – mostly Pakistani and mostly British born – when the TV flashed with 911 news footage of the hijacked jets flying into the twin towers. To a man, the entire room burst into applause and loud cheering punctuated with anti-American and, inexplicably, anti-British jeering. I and an Indian friend were the only ones shocked, and we both remonstrated with the others, and almost got to blows with them.

The biggest shock was the intense anti-western hatred spewed by a British born Pakistani ‘friend’ who I had known for a fair while, and whose father was an Imam in his local Muslim community, and one of the gentlest, most decent and peace-loving men I had ever met.

I will conclude by saying, as clearly as I am capable of, that in my opinion, whenever terrorists are encountered by our forces during armed conflict, or captured by them in any situation, whether such terrorists are terrorists by genetic determination, or terrorist from peace-loving parents who have elected to voluntarily 'join the cause', then our armed forces or security services are justified in any action against them, because such terrorists by their continuous evil inhuman acts, have lost all right to be categorised as 'human' - evil human or otherwise.

If this drama just happens to be played out in a 'Theater of War' which is in the 'Middle East' - for whatever reason - then so be it.

As a footnote T.S. I really did not like your sarcastic comment asking why I should be bothered about the slaughter by these terrorist devils of the poor little innocent schoolkids. I really didn't. I have children of my own, and my grief for these poor kids and their families is matched only by my intense hatred of the demonic subhuman bastards who so coldly and calculatingly murdered these kids. As for setting a human being ablaze - what kind of sick, satanic evil is that?