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Originally Posted by Sticks

"First of all I said they brought it on themselves NOT They had it coming, which some apparently have said. Those two are not the same!"

Sorry Sticks, but this is just mere pedanticism. “Brought it on themselves” and “They had it coming” are merely different ways of saying the same thing by common usage definition, ie; their own actions (in drawing and publishing the cartoon) are causal, and being murdered is the result.

“Suppose you go up to a wasp's nest and hit it with a big stick. If you get stung, you will have brought it on yourself, not that you had it coming.”

Yes, Wasps are creatures who like Rats, and Flies, co-exist - for no logical reason IMHO - with Mankind on this Earth. Their capability to inflict pain and suffering or even death is well known so we leave them alone, shun them, avoid them. They build their nests in the garden or elsewhere and we have our homes, and most of the time peaceful co-existence is possible. But wasps are not content with their own space, they want our spaces – our garages, our loftspaces, even inside our homes, and they keep invading our spaces to inflict pain, suffering and death on innocent people, and it becomes necessary to ‘zap’ them individually – to prevent more human suffering and death you understand?

Sometimes, however, this does not deter them and the pain and suffering and deaths to innocent humans not only continues but the frequency increases. Then we have no other choice but to trace their nests to destroy it and stop all this terror at source. Sometimes, when we haven’t been vigilant or we are have been apathetic, we find out that wasps have even built nests in our spaces.

But you’re absolutely right Sticks, ‘hitting it with a big stick’ isn’t the way to treat a wasps nest. I think the expert exterminators kill them all by gassing or suchlike. Personally I don’t give a feck as long as the ‘orrible bastards are gone and we can all enjoy our lives in relative peace without fear of being harmed or dying through being stung.

Feck me – I do ramble on. I forgot what I was on about there for a moment. Oh yes, Wasps.

“Going back as far as the 1980's and the Satanic Verses, it is well known that by offending Islam, violent reprisals will be metered out. It happened in Denmark over cartoons of their holy prophet, where British Newspapers showed respect and restraint by refusing to publish them.”

You are a gifted writer Sticks, so I am really surprised to find you trying to excuse forced censorship of artistic expression, freedom of speech and literary freedom by the use of intimidation, murder and violence by terrorists, in your comments above.

You really are a skilled writer, because you lace your comments with subliminally emotive words such as; ‘Offending Islam’, ‘meted out’ (a most benign little phrase, evocative of ‘sharing out’ as in food rations or money, or ‘dispensing’ as in ‘dispensing justice’, which subliminally suggests that the murders in cold blood by these devils of innocent people was lawful, fit, and proper) ‘Holy Prophet’ (again a very emotive combination of words) and ‘respect and restraint’.

The above is much a much more innocuous way than saying; ‘An author, living in a liberal democracy wrote a great novel of fiction in which he expressed certain ideas to “provoke the imagination” and as a result, evil Islamic Fundamentalists irrationally and unjustly declared a Fatwa on him, which led to the despicable cold-blooded murders of an Editor, a Publisher, and a Translator, and to the death of hundreds of people in world-wide riots, and the burning of books from “Bolton to Islamabad” in some Orwellian dystopian nightmare.

“This magazine was fire bombed in 2011, so they should have learned from that, not to insult Islam, they persisted in their unfettered "Freedom of speech" clichés and this was the result. It was predictable this would happen so what what were they thinking?”

They were probably thinking what billions of sane rational people around the world are thinking; that evil despotic minorities should never, ever, be allowed to subjugate decent moral majorities by murder and violent intimidation.

“That magazine should not have published those cartoons. By doing so they provoked this action.”

You are condemning the poor victims, and inferring that their cold-blooded execution by these evil demons is justified because they published a cartoon. But again, Sticks, everything you write could be construed as thinly veiled ‘terrorist apologetics’. Where is your condemnation of these barbaric murdering demons? Not one word.

“For those going on about "Freedom of Speech", sometimes they forget, even in the UK, it has limits.
On this very forum, text speak is not permitted by forum rules, you could argue that is an unacceptable curtailment of freedom of speech, but in practice, we all accept and abide by that rule.“

Yes; “we all accept and abide by that rule” but this is a rule on a Forum which we have elected to join and therefore, by default we accept such rules. But outside this specific forum, on other forums, or in the great democratic countries of the world in general where “text speak” is permitted, we can freely use it if we CHOOSE to without fear of TIBB moderators seeking us out and murdering us in cold blood.

Your analogy is ludicrous Sticks.

“In the wider environment, we have laws against incitement to hatred, based on race, gender, religion and orientation. Those claiming the trump card of freedom of speech are quick to condemn anyone who is not politically correct. It cuts both way!”

I don’t fully understand what you are trying to say here Sticks, I really don’t. But I will say; that we also have man-made written laws against Murder and Intimidation, as well as universal unwritten laws on morality, and these barbaric, inhuman demons breach every law under both codes by their continuous bombing, maiming and slaughter of innocent people.

I just wish that all those on here who are quick to criticise myself and others for our ‘small-minded, bigoted views’ in condemnation of these atrocities, were as quick and scathing of the bastards perpetrating them. Unfortunately, the ones making the loudest noises on here against us are the very ones whose silence on the terrorists and terrorism is the most notable.