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Originally Posted by kirklancaster
I will answer you out of common courtesy despite your descent once more into 'Strawman' tactics.Here is what I actually stated:
"Originally Posted by kirklancaster - "Islamic Fundamentalist Imams, Muftis and Ayatollahs preach violence and hatred, Rabbis and Priests and Vicars do not."
And here is what you dishonestly twist my statement into:
"but what you are doing is implying that "most" Islamic preachers are hateful and - unfathomably - that there are ZERO Jewish or Christian preachers preaching anything negative."
Now let's analyse what you are attempting to do:
I specify Islamic Fundamentalist Imams, Muftis and Ayatollahs. You turn my clear STATEMENT into your IMPLICATION without any genuine reason.
You turn my "ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST" in to your "MOST ISLAMIC PREACHERS" when that is CLEARLY NOT WHAT I WROTE.
In my opinion, most "Islamic preachers" are - like most Muslims - peace loving moderate people of faith. ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST PREACHERS are not.
You are deliberately TWISTING what I actually wrote, but when I accused you of such a practice you write:
"Yes they are in print, they don't require any twisting, it is exactly what you said."
Well, clearly, it is NOT EXACTLY WHAT I SAID - IS IT?
So please stop with the deceitful Strawman tactics because it just ruins threads. We have some seriously intelligent and knowledgeable members on here who shy away once you employ such tactics and it is not fair,not conducive to intelligent debate, and impoverishes the forum.
And as for:
"for the second part, are you really asking me to back up / "prove" that there are Rabbis in Israel preaching hatred of Palestine, or that certain Bible-belt American preachers advocate violence against homosexuals? Are you trying to say that without proof, you think these claims are false? It's common knowledge, Kirk."
Yes Toy Soldier, I am asking you to provide evidence for what you claim. You make so many 'sweeping claims' in your posts - all without genuine grounds - that I would like you to corroborate these particular claims.
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I'm not buying it kirk, why would you compare Fundamentalist Islamic preachers to non-fundamentalist Christian and Jewish preachers? It's like comparing rabid dogs to normal cats and pointing out that the normal cats don't attack people. You are saying nothing about the normal dogs, or the rabid cats. It is a moot point. You deliberately compare the worst Islamic preachers to the normal everyday Jewish and Christian preachers. You completely overlook the normal Islamic preachers and the worst Jewish and Christian preachers, to make your point. Like I said, it is disingenuous.
Also, whilst you qualified the statement about Islamic preachers with "Fundamentalist", you offered no specifics for Priests, Vicars and Rabbis. You simply said outright that "they do not preach hatred", implying that *none* of them preach hatred, ever. Which is simply not true.
I don't believe for a second that you think it's true that every last rabbi and preacher is non-violent, that you believe there is not a single non-peaceful Jewish and Christian preacher in the world, without me "proving it". I think you know fine well that they exist. Making out that it must be "proven" can only be considered an attempt to disproportionately and with bias defend the faiths that you have deemed the "better ones". It's also massively offensive to the thousands of people who have been on the receiving end of Christian intolerance and the people who have been beaten and killed by what can only be described as Jewish jihadists in Israel.
However, quickly, here is a good one because it contains videos - first hand evidence - of hateful Christian preachers. Please watch the videos. I'm sure you will still, somehow, deny it:
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/0...-gay-violence/
As for hatred preached by Rabbis in Israel, kirk, I am not even for a second going to entertain the notion that you don't know about this. Seriously. It is a massive problem, it would take you 30 seconds to find thousands of articles on the issue. The US and even occasionally the Israeli government themselves have condemned these Jewish hate preachers. Trying to claim they don't exist is patently ridiculous.
However, here is a link to an article - which includes direct quotations - from a hateful Rabbi in the good old US of A.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/genoci...lanta-hashanah
I would also point out that the people who own and run this website are themselves Jewish.