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Originally Posted by Nedusa
"With respect, Joey, he was a part of the Treasury that oversaw the dismantling of our economy, world recession or not. The whole dismal episode was handled appallingly by Labour, and now we're to trust this man and Ed Balls - who was also in the Treasury - with our economy that's just starting to struggle back to its feet? And furthermore, Ed Miliband shafted his brother to get the job. I think Labour would be in a much stronger position with David Miliband at the helm instead of Ed, who frankly looks like Cain. We'll see..."
I can truths in both these posts and I think that is the reason this election will be the most difficult to call in years.
I prefer Camerons style over Miliband but prefer Miliband's substance over Cameron so is it style over substance or the other way round.
Actually I agree with Livia's point about the other Miliband brother David whom many saw as the next Labour leader. I'm sure Ed's heart and soul are in the right place but he looks ill at ease in the job he is in at the moment let alone the PM's job where he would be running the Country.
I do actually think Joey is right when he suggests Labour will win the most seats but not an overall Majority so am looking forward to see what kind of Coalition results.
As for Mr Cameron saying he doesnt want to serve a 3rd term as Prime Minister, well how arrogantly stupid is he for saying that.
He hasn't even served one term as a PM of a majority Conservative Govt..who does he think he is... Tony Bliar  |
Hi nedusa.
He hasn't lied though Nedusa, that was my point,he was as you rightly point out, part of a govt; at that time, not leading one.
I am prepared to give at times some leeway when a crisis hits.
That financial crisis, the recession and near banking collapse,would have sent any govt; probably spinning as to what was best to do.
Miliband only became an MP in 2005,when that crisis hit and hit everywhere almost, no matter what govts; other countries had, he had only been in parliament for around 3 years.
If making misguided or poor decisions was something that in future barred polticians from being in govt; again or becoming PM then there would in reality, likely be no politicians left to do so.
I accept this govt; has made misguided and poor decisions too,that is not what I hold against them ,it is the fact that both the leaders lied to the voters, and misled them as to what they intended to do.
Miliband has set out his aims, they are aims I can support and thus far he has not been able to with power, show if he would stick to those aims and do the things he says Labour will,the way they are set out.
So for me, I am happy to give him that chance, these liars can clear off for me.
Deliberate misleading of the voters and lying to them as to intentions in order to get their votes is something I would take really seriously.
If they have done it once, they will do it again.
Govts; make mistakes,I accept that but telling blatant lies,for me, should see them out of office once it is clear they have done so, as with the Lib Dems on vat, tuition fees and how they have supported horrendous policiesa s to welfare reform.
For Cameron too, his staring blatant lie as to no top down re-organisation of the NHS is totally for me ,unforgivable.
he also hid the more extreme elements of welfare reform from the voters too and he is trying to do so again,since he needs to find 12 billion more cuts to welfare to balance his policy statements as to the economy.
You see, I am not sure David Miliband would be doing much better, he would have come with the Iraq baggage as I said on another thread, he would be being constantly questioned as to that and the delay of this inquiry into the Iraq war being published too.
Ed Miliband was not even an MP when the vote was taken to go into Iraq.
It seems odd that someone would take on their brother but in politics you have to sieze the chances when they come.
It no doubt at all shows a ruthless streak to achieve the things he believes in, that may show how determined too he will be to make sure as a PM, that Labour get it right this time in govt:
Frankly I wouldn't have had either Miliband as leader, also however I think all the main party leaders are really bad this time round,except for Nicola Sturgeon of the SNP, and then if Alex Salmond heads the SNP in the next parliament, he will be a another good leading influence in my view.
I will be very happy to see a minority Labour led govt; supported by the SNP on crucial voting in the commons.
That would make for stability and I think a fairer, better and far more compassionate govt; where compassion needs to be shown.