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Originally Posted by joeysteele
The thread is about the EU in or out, therefore any observances as to the EU are relevant so don't tell me what I can comment on or not.
To trade with the EU outside, we will not have the terms the countries in the EU have or the direct access either,there will be costs as to that and we will have no control whatsover as to whatever costs the EU put on non EU members trading with the EU have inthe future,if we are out.
Businesses will likely have levies too as their trade with the EU if they are based in the UK and the UK is out.
We will still will have to accept free movement of EU citizens if we want to trade with the EU too,in or out, Switzerland trades with the EU and has to accept that,they recently took a voteas to should they stop accepting free movement of EU citizens and voted against stopping it, since that would probably then affect their trading with the EU.
Peopla against the EU, paint his rose coloured glasses picture of how great all could be out of the EU.
We never hear from them the pitfalls and things that could go wrong and in the end probably cost us more to be doing the same,if we were out.
It may well have been wrong to sing up to so much and sign some treaties in full, however more informed people as to the real benefits of the EU have done so and that is past.
It is ridiculous and petulant to now be saying we shouldn't have signed tis or that so we are going to run away and not play anymore.
Anything new, needs to be considered and maybe rejected but we shouldn't be damaging the present and future of the UK with arguments and possible errors of the past.
What a view to hold, who cares what the USA wants, we have Amercian companies in the UK,investing in the UK and employing milions in the UK.
They want that secure and steady access to the EU,do you really think they are going to want to risk their access to the EU and take on greater charges to have any access to the EU from their outlets in the UK,if we were out.
No they would keep likely bases here but move the bulk of their operations to another EU member country.
leaving the UK with a big problem that the ani EU brigade can never answer.
So the USA's opinion and in fact all countries who have investments here in the UK should be heard, such as the Japanese too.
I don't think we were a laughing stock to keep the pound and not join the Euro at all, it was a decision we insisted on and the EU obliged that desire to keep sterling and still leave the UK an EU member.
Which shows done right,the EU is accommodating since all other nations had to adopt the euro.
It could well happen that other countries decide they want their old currencies back if euro problems intensify again.
the germans have a good number who wnat the mark back now.
Those changes could come from inside the EU not out of it and anyway we are not even in the euro so why you make such a play on that is beyond me,there is not even any pressure from the EU for us to now even join it anyway.
With more and more countries wanting to join the EU,I think your visons of the whole thing collapsing is near impossible.
We are also a Nation made up of 4 separate countries, certainly 2 of them and probably 3 would not want in any way to leave the EU.
That should also be a massive factor to consider in any referendum vote taken.
It is just these little englanders that yearn for the days of the empire and think England particularly is so important it can take on anyone and everything and need no one else now.
Those days are well gone, no matter how great they may have been, the World is a very dangerous place now and if the UK,from its English sector,(and I was born and lived in Worcestershire until 5 years ago,before you insinuate I am not English), want to be separatist and pull away from things like the EU, casuing ill feeling between neighbouring european nations.
I think that threatens the UK both as to security and economically.
We should stay in,in my view, and work to reform the EU from inside, as we did when we won the right to keep the pound showed we can do, to leave the EU for me would be the worst act the UK could undertake and in the end a much bigger price could have to be eventuallypaid for doing so.
I cannot guarantee that wll be the case obviously but then too on the other side,if you were being fair, you could not in any way guarantee it wouldn't be the case either and for me that would be a leap into the dark too dangerous to take and a step too far as to the risks.
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No ...No... No
I agree with Truth on this, we should leave the EU immediately as it does not help the UK and has in my opinion been the main reason this Country is sinking fast.
From every viewpoint the EU is a monster, an uncontrolled expensive behemoth, a political organisation that has at it's heart a sinister ultimate agenda to make all European Countries divest their sovereignty to a faceless elite.
This was never what the European Union was meant to be, it was founded as a free trade movement and has been hi jacked to some quasi European super state.
I hate it, I hate the way we do not seem to have any say in what we do and what laws we can pass, I hate the obscene amounts of money we have to pay to keep other lazy,feckless countries afloat.
I really hate the uncontrolled and never ending immigration of peoples into this country some of whom actually want to destroy this country and kill it's citizens.
I hate the way they never integrate preferring to make their home country in our Country and fcuk the rest of us.
I hate the way the Health service has been used and abused by every Tom,Dick or Harry or should I say Mustapha,Mohammed or Ahmed. Our Health Service was never designed to give free healthcare to every sick person in the World.
I hate the way there are hundresd upon hundreds of dirty,lazy immigrants massing in Calais waiting to come over into the UK to bleed it dry. I also detest the way the French think it is not their problem and moan about the numbers and plead for the UK to take these filthy beggars.
We don't them - send them back to wherever the hell they came from.
This Country is Full and is creaking at the joints it cannot cope with anymore immigrants the roads are full, the hospitals are full, the Schools are full
the UK is full............please give us a break.
We need only to trade with Europe nothing more, open borders are a complete disaster for the UK, how more people cannot see that I don't know.
Vote for UKIP..........the only party that has at it's heart the pledge to try and tackle this madness...
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