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Originally posted by the_chosen_one
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Originally posted by Keith_Can
Like I said in some of the other threads,. everyone has a right to their opinions. Although I dont neccesarily agree with them its something I need to accept.
Heres my problem with your thoughts about the situation in the house at the moment chosen one,.,I cant really remember any time yet that Ive seen Chanelle or Ziggy talking about people behind their backs with any real dirt,. maybe small stuff like this person doesnt help out cleaning like shabs,. ect. But Charley gets evil when she talks about people behind their backs and attacks them as a human being,. Like yesterdays show I think she made a comment about Chanelle stating she has a huge forehead like a mongolian,. and like calling Ziggy a *****ing *****r on numerous occasions. The list could go on if i dug around but my point is they are all doing what is called "Case Building". It stems from insecurity about yourself as a person feeling the need to pull people into your insecurity and co-sign your thoughts. Everyone does it from time to time but in a group setting like they are in it creates an uncomfortable enviroment . The root of all the dark energy in the house is clearly Charley. Ziggy & Chanelle I see as good people simply for the fact that they dont go out of their way to intentionally try and sway peoples views other then to the obvious.
I realize Im goin off with A sorta clinical view to all this but the maliciousness of Charley's campaign to change peoples opinions is about as low as you can go. I agree deep down there she probably has a heart of gold (I believe we all do) but its so covered up with insecurity about herself she hasnt got time to worry about anyone but herself.
Im case building right now in hope i can sway your opinions. Why?,. because Im feeling insecure about what people think about Ziggy & Chanelle. And because i believe some peope have got it wrong. Its human nature. So jump on the bus and join me ,. together we can rule the dark side young Anakin 
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I appreciate you would like to explain to people your view on Chanelle and Ziggy and maybe convert people into your way of thinking, but you'll have to look for possible recruits elsewhere, unfortunately.
To veer slightly off topic for a moment to address your point about Ziggy and Chanelle, these two are very, very particular about the words they use. They know single words are enough to condemn someone for something ( e.g. Emily) but if issues are skirted around and not spelled out for the public, they can get away with practically anything. When Ziggy and chanelle are talking with each other the conversations are always carefully worded for the cameras, questions will be asked and you can see answers forming in their heads but the words that come out do not match the amount of thought and analysis you can read on their faces. For an example I'll direct you to yesterdays highlights when Chanelle and Ziggy were in the bathroom talking about homosexuals and how bothered Ziggy was about it. Minutes earlier he had stated that he wasn't comfortable about Seany and Gerry's situation and the prospect of them having sexual relations, then Chanelle pulled Ziggy into the bathroom to talk about it properly and Ziggy gave an answer coming from a completely different angle from the one moments earlier, it was a more accepting and liberal point of view than the one before.
This is just an example of how Ziggy is very easy to read when he's being dishonest, you'll notice above CharlotteSometimes gives other (valid) examples of the way Ziggy manipulates, but in my opinion the hardest one to pin down is Chanelle. Ziggy and Chanelle are in a personal battle of manipulating each other, but the rest of the time is spent putting their heads together to manipulate the housemates and the viewers.
Look at the way Chanelle ordered the viewers to evict Charley yesterday in the middle of her diary room performance. When was the last time you had a Big Brother housemate give you orders in the subtle form of a cute little diary room performance?
Charley doesn't like to be manipulated so it's obviously bringing out her bad side.
If you're insecure about people not liking your favourite's Keith, I can't help you on that, but if you come away from the lure of the dark side, maybe you'll find yourself not supporting those on the dark side.
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I think you'll find that many viewers don't need manipulating on the matter of Charley.
I'm pretty sure that neither of them (nor anyone else in there) is capable of such claims......maybe by accident, but certainly not premeditated....
actually, they should put Derren Brown in the next CBB imagine that....especially if they allow him to do his stuff
