[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With respect Kirk you have hammered people against UKIPs stance as being left wing militants,in a generalised way, you are not the only one but in doing so you do insult people of that persuasion.

I respect the right of anyone to support who they please, I have said many time on here, I think it a disgrace that UKIP could get 3,800,000 votes and only 1 seat.

I have also, over the last months noted the worth of some of UKIPs social policies, such as scrapping the bedroom tax and ending ATOS style re-assessments of the sick and disabled.

My moan with UKIP is the big ones unfortunately, the EU and immigration.

You slam down anything I say, others too, its not for me to say who just for their views which like you, they are entitled to hold too.

I wasn't on here for the last election and I am sad that I was on for this one, since I have come to alter how I think of some I really respected,you were one, however, I am not going to accept being generalised as a left wing militant,so since that has only come from UKIP supporters,I will stand against it.

All those statistics you quote are fine but if we wanted to, they could be presented another way that could back most of our arguments too.
Statistics say what the people quoting them or gathering them want them to say.

Anyway,you are not having me say,I don't like UKIPs stance on issues or the way the message I stated came across, you then go straight into the left wing on here with the word arrogant added in relation to my post and my words.
You and I have had some good chats on here and not so good ones,however I am fed up of this left wing prejudice you portray against me and others in a generalised sense on here and in relation to my posts too.

In fact, you know what, I am fed up of here totally anyway and am sick of being got at.
I have really had all I am going to take from you and 2 others on here now, really had it beyond the level of tolerance now.

Needless to say, I disagree with most of what your post outlines anyway too,I won't however use any terminology of what side of poltics is right or wrong as to the statements.
I stand by my view, that no party is always right and none always wrong either, it is for people to choose and they should not be belittled,got at or insulted as I and others have been just for having a view that is different to yours and others who sympathise with UKIP.

That all used to be against the rules, it seems it isn't any longer, so maybe I have now been on here too long.
I am not however taking any more of it.

Joey, apart from the first paragraph - reproduced below - where in my post have I belittled you personally or even the Labour Party?

My post is specifically about the EU and chiefly the corrupt Tories who took us in and are keeping us in.

"Sorry, but I can't accept this as it's a complete and utter reversal of the true status quo - it is the Left Wing on here who in the main arrogantly presume that their views are the absolute truth and who either 'gang up' to 'shout down' any opposing views, or ignore posts which expose their views as wrong only to then post those same fallacious views on other threads."

And even the first paragraph above is NO MORE personal than your posts or Kizzy's or JoshBB's are when opposing my posts or The Truths or LT's, so I do not understand your reaction.

I did not agree with your contentions below and posted a counter. What is wrong with that Joey?

"This is what turns me off UKIP, the rhetoric as to anything they and their supporters don't like or want as being the absolute truth and all that matters.
Everyone else wrong, only they being right, in their view.

The hard extreme of dismissing everything anyone else says that challenges the UKIP viewpoint,usually with nasty put downs and unnecessary personal insults too."

I respect you Joey and I would rather cease posting than have you quit - especially when I do not see anything wrong with my post?