[Kizzy]

I won't come off it, I can say that personally physical insults are as bad as any perceived morality defect. Whether in the house or on here it's wrong, I don't believe in a sliding scale of wrongness...it is or it isn't.

I have no problem discerning green from red.

'So Joel is as bad as Helen, but because she doesn't sugar the pill, in some ways he's much worse.'
No, not much worse ...equally as bad.