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Originally Posted by Kizzy
Now you are being personally insulting. I probably know more about the Human Rights Act than most people - you included - and I probably know more about it's EXPLOITATION by FOREIGN TERRORISTS, KILLERS and CAREER CRIMINALS.
Which was the WHOLE point of my post - the post which you have so grossly misunderstood and so unfairly misquoted. But more of that later, in the meantime here's a few examples of HRA exploitation for you to deny:
PAEDOPHILE: Asylum seeker William Danga was jailed for ten years for raping a 16-year-old girl. The 40-year-old Congolese asylum seeker, who raped and molested two young girls while fighting deportation after his release, and is now serving a 15-year sentence, used the HRA and the fact he has two children to stay in Britain.
RAPIST: Somali rapist Mustafa Abdullahi was jailed for ten years after holding a knife to a pregnant woman’s throat as he attacked her. He was ordered to be deported but immigration judges refused saying it would breach his family rights. He does not have a wife or children in Britain but his mother and other family members lived here.
KILLER: Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die ‘like a dog’ under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a ‘family life’.
WAR CRIMES SUSPECT: Serb Milan Sarcevic was accused of involvement in the 1991 Vukovar massacre of up to 300 men and women. The wounded Croat victims were beaten, executed and buried in a mass grave. A judge ruled evidence of his involvement was ‘not conclusive’ and did not warrant breaching his ‘strong family life’. The 62-year-old lives on a council estate in south-east London.
SEX OFFENDER: For years Mohammed Kendeh escaped removal to Sierra Leone despite convictions for robbery, burglary, arson and assaults on 11 women. An immigration judge ruled in 2007 that as Kendeh, 24, came to Britain aged six, and had almost no family in West Africa, he had effectively become ‘one of us’.
ALCOHOLIC REPEAT CRIMINAL : A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last month on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal. He is now free to continue his drink-fuelled offending spree in Britain.
RAPIST Rapist Mustafa Abdullahi from SOMALI who was jailed for ten years after holding a knife to a pregnant woman’s throat, was ordered to be deported but immigration judges refused saying it would breach his family rights
KILLER Serb Milan Sarcevic was accused of involvement in the Vukovar massacre but has not been deported.
RAPIST: Akindoyin Akinshipe escaped deportation in September 2011 after judges said he had a right to a ‘private life’ in the UK. He was due to be sent to Nigeria after losing a series of appeals in Britain over his jailing for an attack on a girl of 13 when he was 15. But Strasbourg overruled, despite him not having a long-term partner or children in the UK.
TERRORIST FANATIC: In 1996, Strasbourg ruled over Karamjit Chahal, a separatist who was wanted for sedition in India. He argued that, even if somebody posed a grave threat to national security, they could not be sent back to a country where they might be ill treated. Since this precedent - thousands of convicts and fanatics have been able to stay on these grounds.
VIOLENT MOTHER: A Bangladeshi woman jailed for five years for stabbing her baby daughter with a kitchen knife in East London in 2009 won the right to stay in Britain so she could rebuild her relationship with the child.
BURGLAR: Wayne Bishop, 33, from Clifton, Nottinghamshire, was let out of prison in May 2011 after just one month of an eight-month sentence so he could look after his five children after a judgement weighed the children's rights against the seriousness of Bishop's offences.
Now back to the post which you misquoted:
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post
"There has never been any law more exploited by the undeserving than Human Rights Law. As with the Benefits System and a host more, the idea and theory is commendable, the execution and reality, lamentable."
Now WHERE EXACTLY in the above post which I wrote, do I mention:
1) The Human Rights Act protecting benefit fraud?
And WHERE EXACTLY in the above post which I wrote, do I mention:
2) Any 'new human rights act' deterring the exploiters?
And WHERE EXACTLY in the above post which I wrote, do I mention:
3) That benefit fraud has got anything to do with human rights?
IT DOES NOT - PATENTLY. - except to the stupid or dishonest.
It clearly says that the Human Rights Act is but one of many of our systems - The Benefits System included - which, though created for the right reasons are being too easily EXPLOITED by the unscrupulous and least deserving.
Now WHAT to any REASONABLE person is SO WRONG with THAT? Or so diificult to understand?
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Was this post not deleted yesterday?
How would a new Human Rights Act deter exploiters? That's a brilliant question... it wouldn't.
We don't want a HRA now we want to be able to snoop on whoever whenever and mete out justice as we see fit.
This thread is due to be locked it's already been cleaned because some just can't keep civil, it's really unfair on those who are genuinely interested in the topic.[/QUOTE]
Why do you do this Kizzy?
I am exercising my democratic right as a member to respond to a misquoted and misunderstood post of mine.
No it was not removed yesterday - and nor has the offending post which misunderstands and misquotes my perfectably legible post.
There is no trouble here apart from that which you are trying once again to stir up.
I mean, just look at how you persist in dishonestly repeating a false post as the truth even when it has been comprehensively pointed out that it is false:
"How would a new Human Rights Act deter exploiters? That's a brilliant question... it wouldn't."
WHY have you repeated this falsehood above even after I have pointed out and PROVED that I NEVER WROTE THAT?
It was the same with this:
I post:
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post:
This is the whole point. There has not been a succsseful terrorist attempt for a long time just BECAUSE of our Security Services work, now though, there is a definite new threat which they know about and we do not, which neccessitates them asking for the relevant new powers to deal with it"
To which you POST:
"So you're
frightened of something, but you don't know what?..."
Which you - once again completely MADE UP. I then respond with:
"Genuinely -
I am frightened of NOTHING on this planet. I have never said anywhere that I am frightened by this but HAVE pointed out repeatedly that there is a huge difference in being diligent and aware to being hysterical and frightened."
So do you accept that my original post does NOT state what you implied it said? NO.
Do you accept my assurance that I am NOT frightened as you imply? NO.
Instead - AFTER BEING TOLD OTHERWISE - you post:
"So
you're so terrified of IS you want everyone in the UKs phone and email records kept indefinitely?"
Not only do you repeat your dishonesty, you compound it by adding another BLATANT LIE which was also something I clearly did NOT say in any of my posts:
"...so you want everyone in the UKs phone and email records kept indefinitely?".
This conduct is not fair on a Serious Debates forum. We can have differing opinions, but there is no need to repeatedly INVENT false statements the way that you and others do on here.
Stichk to the facts please, because your current habit of not doing is both tiresome and un fair.
To the mods: There is no need to close this thread or remove this post. I am merely speaking the truth and righting a repeated series of wrongs.
The matter is now closed as far as I am concerned.