[Livia]

We want their businesses here, bringing jobs for a start. And we want our imports an exports to run smoothly... I think that China will not want to get involved as a go-between, risking good relations with everyone their emerging economy is relying on.

Surveillance and monitoring are being used for a reason, no one's interested in putting you or me under surveillance and monitoring our movements Kizzy... as for Human Rights, well... if you think we have a bad record on Human Rights, you really need to look at other countries and recognise how free we are in this country. Although you always seem to have this 'glass half empty' view when it comes to looking at the UK for some reason. This thread isn't about that... and yet you manage to drag it round to that same old argument.