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Originally Posted by Ammi

...you know what sickens me the most about this thread and what is effectively being said, which is why I was sickened by it yesterday and looks as though it will go on and on and on and on and on because last word is everything...of some who don't support the air strikes..

Not that I want to stop you in your tracks when you're on one Ammi, it is refreshing to see, but I feel like I have to ask why there's a specific focus here on "some who don't support the air strikes"? I mean at the very least, by definition, if it's become about "having the last word" and will "go on and on and on" then it literally has to be at least one person from each opposing viewpoint that is guilty of the same thing. It's an irony that's always struck me; the phrase "you always have to have the last word, don't you?" is in itself an attempt to have the last word. .

the I'm right and the gloating and the puffing of feathers etc and whichever whay you want to put it or spin it, is at the expense of those civilians who have been killed in the strikes, which was mentioned yesterday....

Expense? I think that surely has to be the wrong word. It's not at the expense of anyone in that situation; what we say here will make absolutely not one jot of difference to the fate of those tragic people. It seems that nothing said anywhere will, let's be honest - the global wheels are turning on rails, we're all just commenting passively. There is no stopping it nor changing the direction... commentary is benign no matter what form it takes, so it can't really be "at their expense".

no thought for them whatsoever, just a satisfaction at being right..(which no one is anyway, only a few days into a long extensive military action where any effectiveness or lack of/outcome isn't yet known..)...it's like someone, saying...'don't do that, it's dangerous/don't drive like that' or whatever and then something tragic and awful happening and saying I told you so/I told them so and having a satisfaction about it because they 'felt right' and very proud to say so...where is the pride in a loss of any life....people are dead and all some care about is who's right and who's wrong, it's staggering the coldness of it all and the absolute arrogance and self importance of an internet thread...there are no 'winners' in this, we know that in the UK and the whole world knows that because innocent people will die..../either way, innocent people will die and either way, have already...

I don't have a huge amount to say about this other than that I think you're wrong, and that I think it's very possible to do both similtaneously. At the very least, I know that I have my reasons - and usually quite specific ones - for what I say and how I say it, and none of them are about "coldness" or "not caring". I will accept arrogance and self-importance but I don't consider either of those to be insulting. You are of course 100% right about there being no winners in any of this but, in my eyes, the difference is that those who advocate bombing think (I would hope???) that there will be some form of victory in the long run whereas I am painfully aware that there will never be winners in this. We've already all lost. Years ago.