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Kirk, I respect your passion but your answers give again no concrete assurances as to out success out of the EU.

We are successful after being in the EU,so we can easily expect to remain successful remaining in.
That much we know.
Yes the costs may be high but you cannot and neither does anyone from the out camp, tell us what out costs,tariffs and other charges even may be,never mind will be.

There are several million jobs that are linked to the the EU and our membership,the wording is in your own post, the in camp say 3,000,000 could be at risk.
Not that they all are but being linked to other EU nations, can you 100% assure the undecided that those jobs are safe totally if we leave the EU.
If not, then since they are already in place, they are more likely to be secure remaining in than coming out.

The real waste of space on the out side, Ian Duncan Smith even tried to really frighten people,(he is rather adept at doing that actually,)by saying we would have attacks like Paris if we remain in the EU.
What blatant scaremongering that is too, it is understood several incidents of terrorism have been thwarted by the UK over the last few years, our involvement with the USA and being involved in the Middle East is what will bring those attacks to the UK, in or out of the EU.

I think you do David Cameron an injustice, would have voted to remain in the EU even with no deal won by Cameron.
That is my position.
However I would still give him credit for his efforts and unlike you I do believe he has done the best deal he could at this time.
Had he too said,I cannot get a deal after the time he put in,then came away, although I would still be voting in, I'd still have given him credit for trying.

The out camp calling him a liar and saying he should not be believed on this,is again for me, why the out camp could and in my view should lose the referendum.
The austerity cuts was a choice of govt policy,we don'e need these austerity cuts just as we didn't need the top rate of tax down to 45%.
Govts choose the action they wish tot take as to the UK citizens, sadly the priority of this govt is to penalise and punish the poorest.

me, I would have raised all taxation for a period of 4 to 5 years, get the UK out of the problem after the global financial crisis then re-set taxes back down again.
I think any savings, even if there were any at all in the end after all negotiations after leaving the EU, could soon be squandered away by UK govts anyway in a short space of time.

Maybe used to be wasted on even more top down re-organisations of the NHS for instance.
That is domestic policy however and while I accept we pay more into the EU than we likely get out,for me for stability, economic success, security and some social issues,it is for me a price worth paying still and far into the future for those issues.

I also really do think, the EU could change,Cameron has shown many Nations he could get a deal against the odds, had he got anything it would have been commendable.
So I can see change in the EU being demanded in the future and I hope the UK is there, as a full member to support and help bring about any real change that becomes possible,always now assuring the best deals for the UK too.

Even in our own Parliament and law, it is now set in stone any more treaties from the EU cannot be signed by any PM,the treaty has to be put to the voters to agree it.
The coalition did that.
We are totally exempt from having to join the Euro,I honestly now would never risk what we already have and are doing by voting to leave.
Especially in the absence of costs of trading deals, time and what other condition will have to still be imposed on the UK to be able to have any deals with the EU at all.

We know the cheques we have to pay as to the EU,we know they could and should be less but we know we have to do it.
What the out camp are hoping for from the voters,are whole books of blank cheques with not a single costing as to what we will have to shell out after leaving.

Not from me will the out camp get that.
I like to know the full substantiated costs of all actions beforehand, not learn them and have then thrust on me afterwards.