[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=joeysteele;8558461]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

That I have put in bold is the whole point though for me.

We do know that in the future how we will likely deal with problems that occur with our EU partners alongside us, because we have done so for the last 2 decades at least now.

It is not a money draining organisation, we maybe pay too much to be fair but we get a lot back too.
Something the out camp totally ignore.

What we do not know at all is exactly the trade deals we 'will''get if we leave, as opposed to the deals we have in place now, assured for the future.

What we do not know at all,is what tariffs may or will be put on us to trade with the EU in the future if we leave, as opposed to knowing we do not pay many now which is assured.

What we do not know at all is what other conditions we will also have to accept as to trading deals and other EU regulations,as opposed to knowing exactly where we are and what conditions apply now.

What we do not know at all, is what trading deals we can get too as to other Nations outside the EU,whether they will want to deal a bit with us, a fair lot with us or a great deal with us.


Now with respect it is for you and the out camp to spell out what we will get rather than what we have already now which has served the UK rather well for decades, despite the problems and indeed more better terms needed,no one denies that.

However, we know what problems can do to economies and we have seen how while a member of the EU how we have overcome big problems at times.
What we don't know at allis how we will overcome difficulties and problems as and when they arise if out of the EU and again I stress the out camp, tells us nothing at all as to assurances as to how we could and will anyway deal with any such problems and difficulties.

You are only presenting the negatives of the EU, totally ignoring all the good that is also there as to the EU while providing not a scrap, with respect, of evidence or fact of substantiation as to the questions coming out will raise.

In that full absence of such assurances,especially with what we already have with being a member of the EU,then you are asking for a journey to be taken that no one knows the road to really and no one can fully show the full substantiated blueprint for what will for sure happen if we do go on it.

That is what the out camp has to do or why should anyone listen.
The in camp only needs to defend being a member of the EU with all its many faults,because we 'know'what has come before, what things are like now and that we can be able to deal with whatever is thrown at us in the future with our EU partners.

We are hearing nothing at all as to any of that from the out camp,nothing at all.
Just plain EU bashing with no drawing even of the UKs future out of the EU that has any strong facts and assurances to it,that things could even just be held the same as they are now, let alone be any better.
So for me,with all that not knowing,no way would I take a walk with the out camp, not for my Country's future or for the very young of the UK either.
Not a chance, no blank cheques from me at all.

Once again Joey, you are ignoring the facts in my post and merely repeating yourself.

I do not post Joey without corroborating evidence and facts, but with respect, you- and others of the 'In' camp - continue to make statements without any corroborating evidence or facts.

Saying does not make it so.

I would greatly appreciate seeing some genuine data to corroborate all these wonderful benefits - economic or otherwise - which we have enjoyed during our 42 year membership of the wonderful EU.

The EU is the ultimate money laundering scam.

The bloated bastards in Brussels collect collossal sums from the taxpayers of this country, from which they take their huge cut, then what's left is dispersed to other countries - most of who pay less in than us - so we are the feck-pigs of Europe;

We directly subsidise a lot of those EU Migrants and their families who come here to live, and we directly subsidise some of the (predominantly POLISH ) EU migrants children who they leave behind in their own countries, but we ALSO INDIRECTLY SUBSIDE EVERYONE IN THOSE COUNTRIES ANYWAY via our greater payments being diverted to them by the Money Launderers of Brussels.

As for "but we get a lot back too." - are you referring to the 'Rebate' which Thatcher fought for in 1984 after 11 years of NET LOSSES with NO REBATE?

Because if you are, the facts are that:

NOT ONCE IN ALL OUR YEARS OF 'MEMBERSHIP' HAS THE UK GOT OUT MORE THAN WE PUT IN AND BEING IN THE EU HAS BEEN A 'ONE WAY STREET FOR BRITAIN'.

Contributions from Britain to the EU budget have outstripped the benefits received in every single year of membership.

In total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion). It has received back in benefits just €163 billion (£143 billion).

In 2015 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was £8.5 billion.

BUT THIS BEING THE DECEITFUL EU AND THEIR EVEN MORE DECEITFUL UK GOVERNMENT SUPPORTERS, THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT THAT 'REBATE' IS, THAT A LOT OF IT IS SPENT HERE IN THE UK BY PRO EU GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS AND OTHER EU COMPANIES ON PROMOTING THE EU.

MOST OF THAT REBATE DOES NOT EVER FILTER BACK TO THE THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS COUNTRY WHO PAID THE FECKING MULTI BILLION POUND CONTRIBUTIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AS I SAID - THE EU IS THE ULTIMATE MONEY LAUNDERING SCAM AND THE ULTIMATE EXPONENT OF THE 'SHERIFF OF NOTTINGHAM TAX - ROBBING THE POOR TO PAY THE RICH AND THE MEGA RICH CORPORATIONS.