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Originally Posted by joeysteele
Look, you and I are likely wasting our time this thread,I will never agree with you likely and you certainly are only able to rudely in my view get away with dismissing anything anyone who disagrees with you says.
For me with regret the fantasy land is the one that is 'out' because no one has single idea as to what will really happen.
Clearly you do not either.
You mention Norway and Switzerland, they both have to accept free movement of EU citizens.
By the way it is European Nations that can join the EU as full members, not Australia and New Zealand and the USA.
They are not in Europe.
You can dismiss 2 years as nothing but it is a long time for business and investment to see uncertainty on.
The one place there is no fantasy is in the EU, good or bad we know with greater certainty what we are likely to be doing in years to come and the past decades in the EU show we can be successful.
We are not fighting TTIP at all, TTIP may never even be agreed in this present form, it most certainly will have an almighty struggle to be ratified by the EU Nations that is for sure.
If we left the EU no way could we then even have a vote as to TTIP and the EU deal anyway.
So we are hardly fighting it.
There you are, more rubbish and nonsense for you to dismiss but as I have done it for you, there is really no need to respond with the fullest respect.
If you do, I will have to ignore you as you are just,sadly in my view,simply too rude to debate with anyway and rarely show any respect for others opposite positions and views on issues.
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lol I find it hilarious how you claim falsely everyone is rude who disagrees with every word you say
I and many others have provided endless facts to prove you are wrong and to prove brexitors are right ...starting with 48% youth unemployment in Italy where the government was replaced by the eu in a totally undemocratic takeover....unemployment in Greece is 24% ....its even doubled in france. france? the original eu big shots...The list of nations destroyed by the euro and eu is very long and 100s of millions of lives have been seriously damaged , yet you bury your head in the sand and ignore all of this
you ignore the fact we lost billions every year, you ignore the fact many of the people at the eu are unelected, they are nominated....you ignore the fact there are more jihadis free to roam Europe than every, you ignore the fact more terrorists murders have occurred around europe in the last year than any other year in history..you ignore the fact the debts per eu nation are higher than ever
you ignore the fact clearly the eu will want to build an army. this will of course undermine nato
ttip is going to happen if we stay in the eu...the usa has been working on ttip for 4 years....they know if we leave it weakens the eu and means the eu will unravel to democratic sovereign democracies again...the usa are scared of that.....there is no limit to their lust and greed. they simply want to eradicate our laws and rules to suit their own corrupt corporations. ttip is why Obama came to Europe, that is why he is in Europe today
they want to take over Europe , it really is that simple