[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;8690486]None of us are sure of anything right now Joey.

I’m an out voter but that doesn’t make me an EU hater. The EU have been a powerful force for many good things and without it, this country is going to be put through some profound changes. I believe Cameron’s ‘chicken Licken’ act holds some weight; none of us know the economic facts and consequences of leaving the EU; we’d have to be small minded to believe its not going to be tough and its not going to affect every last one of us.

TTIP is about to hit the EU like a juggernaut. Americas corrupt ideologies are going to become a part of European social justice and whilst the far right, namely Boris, will try and drive Britain back towards that extreme, the majority of Brits are democrats who won’t allow Britain to be compromised by these corporate sharks.

I have left my sentiments about the EU throughout this thread. I sat on the fence for ages and watched both camps squabble to the point of tedium. Whichever way we vote, it’s a gamble but one things for sure, the EU’s neoliberal capitalist ideologies have allowed for an undisputed rising inequality, an underperforming economy and the demolition of our social structure and unless some radical movement takes place, this ghastly mess is only going to get worse[/QUOTE]




Hi DemRed.
Good points and I respect your view although opposite to you as to my view of the ongoing EU,I believe reform is possible and I believe David Cameron may have started that process off to be fair to him.
Not rapid reform but I do think change is on the way for the better within the EU.

TTIP is not an issue for me as in its present incomplete form it is dead in the water as to the EU, as most EU Nations now would never ratify it and they all have to, all 27 Nations in the EU and 28 if we stay.

However looking at TTIP, if the EU will drag their heels and hold up a deal with the USA,now likely to ne rejected by them too,then what chance have we after leaving to be able to demand the best for us from them.

Good points but I do really feel the scenario at the end of your post are things that will likely happen equally if we leave the EU too rather than remain in it.