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Originally Posted by jaxie
We joined a common market and it turned into an ideology, a political experiment. The ideology is shared by a core group who will see and hear nothing that takes them from the path. If your interests lay away or off this path they are not willing to work with you or around the straight path. Those who don't share the ideology are being dragged along. This is never going to work, there is no compromise, no treaty change. The UK aren't the only people discontent with this. That doesn't mean it won't happen, that means forcing it through regardless of consequences. How can you force people along a political path they don't want? It smacks of dictatorship and surely it's bound to fail. But at what cost?
The single currency has been a failure and some countries are paying a very heavy price for that, partly self inflicted by their government yes but whole nations are being financially slaughtered for those mistakes. We cannot be without some sympathy for the people of Greece nor grateful that we didn't enter the euro like many of those in remain wanted us to. Who would want to face the prospect of an old age in poverty with very little to no pensions?
The EU costs more than it brings in wealth to us. It has destroyed our fishing industry and there are whole communities that have never recovered. So much for how it brings jobs, is that bringing with one hand and taking with another? Not only did it destroy our fishing industry with bad policies over many years it led to our oceans being overfished and cod becoming an endangered species in our waters.
We don't need to be in the EU to visit other countries nor to live in them if we choose to do so. Many British people live and work in Dubai, Dubai is not part of the EU so when people say if we leave I wouldn't be able to live or work there is preposterous.
Those who want to remain often brand those who want to leave racists because the total lack of EU border control we have now concerns them and yet we have situations with so little control over our borders that a man convinced of murdering his wife was able to come here and murder a 14 year old girl after release from prison. IMO there is nothing wrong with being able to choose who comes to this country, it's ot racist to have a little concern with who enters your borders and I find convicted murderers less than desirable personally.
And another stone thrown is that we want to be isolated. This couldn't be further from the truth, I think rather that we want to be part of the wider world instead of being forced into a box with a failed political experiment, stuck without democracy. I would rather be able to save k my government with my vote if they do me wrong, thanks all the same.
We are the biggest importer of German cars in the EU, is the government of Germany who clearly run the EU really going to cut us off with no trade if we leave? I don't think it likely.
If we were asked to join now, looking honestly we would not. We must leave. As a people the ever closer union thing will never work for us we are too independent and I'm not sure it should. In 1939 who else stood on the edge of Europe and said no? Perhaps someone needs to be independent should we need to do so again so that those forging ahead with their ideology are forced to realise that you can lead the horses to your water, but you can't make them drink up.
The EU will never be reformed because those in the driving seat don't want it and we have no hope of them ever listening to us and what we want. It's clear they view us as a nuisance at best. And mark my words the US EU trade is coming and it will adversely affect the NHS.
That's me for leave then. I don't care if I'm in bed with Nigel Farage or the Monster Loonies. Remain aren't without their cranks too, Eddie Izzard.
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Great post Jaxie.
The more I've looked into how the EU handles trade deals, the more I realize we are being suffocated.
The Swiss route is the way forward for Britain.