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Remembering Kerry
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: with Mystic Mock
Posts: 44,865
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Remembering Kerry
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: with Mystic Mock
Posts: 44,865
Favourites (more):
BB2025: Zelah CBB2025: Danny Beard
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Good morning Kirk,
You are someone I do respect fully and I both admire and also do follow your arguments you present from your passion as to your stance on the EU and the UK leaving it.
From my perspective,I am not that bothered about past events now,that is just my position, I neither want or expect you to agree with me and I also believe you to be democratic enough to accept, even though you intensely disagree with me and those on the 'remain' side, as to their passions on it too.
I just want to add my view here on the post as the opener.
Most people on the 'remain' side admit there has been and still is many faults with the EU how it was set up, partly with the UKs help and our duly elected govts who have signed this and that with no reference back to the British electorate.
The EU needs reform, think all on the 'remain' side would agree and state that but the EU is not all bad and one thing it now has to do is abide by all that is ratified by its member nations which as you know, now numbers 28 wit the UK.
This is why I believe the EU will in fact strongly honour and cement in stone the deal David Cameron got from the EU earlier this year, and I appreciate your calling what he got now a deal, in your title of this thread.
Firstly, I think the EU now see David Cameron as a man to do business with.
He has negotiated and got a deal, not a great deal, but a deal and in my view more than many give the man credit for.
You know I am no great supporter of David Cameron and certainly not of the Conservative govt.
They have also seen he will hold referenda with the UK electorate and to the outside world with Labour coming on board too to vote for the referendum finally.
The EU knows any other change now that they may even try to make towards the UK,would as sure as it can be, likely trigger off another EU referendum in the UK.
All the other 27 Nations had to agree the deal afforded to David Cameron and I do believe in a vote to remain, that deal will be ratified very quickly.
So yes I for one do believe the EU, in the knowledge of what has been promised and then this referendum in the UK,will honour, and not only honour but respect,David Cameron's efforts on this issue too.
You may consider me foolish to take that position but with the eyes of the whole World now, in and out of the EU, watching this referendum and what happens, I cannot see any possible chance of David Cameron's deal not being honoured in full by the EU.
What has gone before,is the past, what was done wrong needs to be avoided again but to constantly put down the deal David Cameron got, is also a wrong in my view.
It is what happens now in the EU and the future and I still maintain that with this deal,David Cameron got the best he could at this time.
However I myself do think change will now come, maybe slowly, and far too slowly for you and the 'leave' side,which is your full and respected right to think that way.
For me,my view, I see better future and way for the EU and ironically,I also believe David Cameron given the opportunity, could be the man both as Prime Minister and even after he stands down as PM,could be someone who could really begin to gather support for stronger,fairer and firm further reform of the EU.
You and I come from opposing perspectives and decisions on the EU.
I do greatly admire ad respect your passion from your position on the 'leave' side but I equally have my passion on the 'remain' side from my own personal view only too.
I am not now interested in the bad past of the EU, all organisations have bad times in them and good times in them.
There has been and is and will be always good and bad, things happening, in or out of the EU for the UK.
They have dishonoured things at times as you say, and honoured things at times too, that happens.
I just cannot see how they would even dare, if they even wanted to,not honour this deal as you say.
So on this I do trust David Cameron and the EU, particularly the 27 other EU member Nations.
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