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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier
The Scottish referendum result was a sham and truly undemocratic - it was swung entirely based on what have conclusively been proven to be outright lies. The whole thing is foul.
And this is not based on me wanting to force any change its purely an account of what DID happen. I at this point happen to agree that Scottish independence hopes are currently dead in the water and it would be a major mistake to pursue independence with Europe as it currently is. For better or worse, we're with the UK going forward and need to make the best of that. I personally would not pursue Scottish independence again, UNLESS the EU dissolves entirely, at which point it would be worth looking at again. So very unlikely to be in my lifetime, I've come to accept.
That said, I do think Scotland should be heavily pursuing devo-max controls over taxation and spending.
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It seems the establishment of 'only' England can promise Scotland anything to make it fall in line but then when it suits England,any promise can be betrayed.
That is a great advert for England I am sure, its word means nothing.
Scotland did join the EU as part of the UK, that is the point, Scotland still wants to be in the EU and voted heavily to be so.
It was promised if it stayed in the UK in 2014, that its EU position would be secure.
Now let us imagine the outcry here in this scenario, had Scotland promised they will stay in the UK on that promise,then we had the EU referendum and say the UK had voted to stay but Scotland then again called for an Independence vote.
The tune would change massively and from the English govt particularly the Scots govt would rightly be getting hammered left right and centre.
Clearly England's word is meaningless and its promises from its govt worthless, that is really the only point here.
I am absolutely fed up of English MPs and some of England's citizenship riding through any concerns and the will of the other Nations of the UK.
The point here is Nicola sturgeon has to do all she can to keep Scotland in the EU, from her much larger mandate to do so, than any mandate the UK govt has.
It stuns me that all we are hearing from Westminster is the overall result and totally discounting that 2 Nations, 50% of the Countries in the UK,voted to remain by double figure majorities.
I say again,UK wide referenda are pointless if it all only has to go England's way no matter what the other Nations say.
If I lived in Scotland and had a vote, I'd support Nicola's efforts here and I would vote for independence too now after so many broken promises to Scotland,it being taken for granted and its will ignored for decades.