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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier
I disagree Ammi it's not the same at all and you even outlined my reasons for thinking so. Bear is immature and self-centered. He finds superficial buttons to push for his own amusement yes, but they are basically "generalised" buttons just to irritate anyone / everyone.
Helen you got in one word. Bitter. A genuinely twisted, broken woman. She deliberately preyed on people's INDIVIDUAL hang-ups, not for amusement, not because it made her laugh (beyond a stoney faced cackle), but because she genuinely just liked to see people hurt and isolated. She wasn't immature and self centered. She was straight up cruel, hard and abusive.
Give me an immature child playing daft games causing a bit of destruction, over a deliberately spiteful and vicious adult any day of the week.
Talk to the housemates who have been in there this time, any of them, about Bear in a few years time and they'll almost certainly just laugh about what a nightmare he was to live with.
Ask half (or more) of Helen Wood's housemates what they think of her still. 
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....ughhh, I just hate it when you're right, TS..

..although I don't entirely know that some will when they've distanced themselves and 'played back'...but there are so many ways that they're not comparable..the comparison I think is only being looked at, at all because of two such negative houses and two houses based on 'one people shows'...both equally grim though and for me less levels of interest in Bear than I had with Helen because I could at least find some understanding with her...a child who presses buttons just for reactions will only ever get bad reactions, we will never see anything else from their targets, or very little and we'll have to filter through hard to find etc...and there is spite involved as well, the eggs and throwing around food etc is just 'daft' and thoughtless but so much of what he has done, has been deliberately targeted in spite...and in his own words, he will get people back with spite if he feels that they have wronged him in some way....strangely though, he softens with all who support his behaviour and excuse him....