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Originally Posted by jaxie
Excellent, interesting, thought provoking post/series of posts.
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Thanks. I genuinely do believe this is an issue worth discussing, and do not believe being opposed to the current 'accaptable' stance on it all is wrong or transphobic in the slightest.
We spoke last night about toilets and changing rooms. I now move onto a much more complex area that cannot simply be solved by 'unisex closed cubicles'.
Refuges and such. Where women (or men in less cases, so for the post I shall refer to women as it is more prevalent) go to escape domestic violence. Where sex segregation IS needed as so many women in those places are there due to rape and such, or violence committed by men. If we accept this 'anyone is anything they identify as', the logical answer is that trans women are not excluded from said places as they are also women. I completely disagree. While they may be women in thought, they are not women. Male on female violence (inc rapes) and such is a huge issue, not one that can be ignored to go along with the fluffy media rhetoric of any issue to do with trans.
Do we accept that afterall, a trans woman is NOT the same as a woman and as such should not be granted access to womens refuges and such?
Or do we go along with 'anyone is what they identify as' and allow anyone access to female only safe spaces such as a refuge? Which in turn, would mean that for example, a woman fleeing domestic violence..is found in said refuge by abuser, who can then simply stick on a dress and say he identifies as a woman, and gain access to said woman to abuse yet again.These are the kind of questions that need to be asked these days sadly.
I believe there is a NEED, not a want, for some places to be segregated entirely by sex.
Yet again, this has been spoken about with actual transsexual women who agree entirely that men should not be able to under any circumstance be allowed into a womens refuge. again, it has been suggested that refuges specifically for trans women could be opened.
To me, this comes down to who has more rights, whos rights trump the rights of others. Is it right to allow men to redefine womens rights in the way they are trying to? Or are feminists (not even feminists, just people who accept women are entitled to..their rights) wrong on this issue and everyone should pander to the view that anyone is a woman, regardless of their actual sex?
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I am a woman who has been gang raped by men - with penises. I am a survivor of child abuse over many years and in all I have been raped over 200 times.
I will never accept that I should share public toilets or changing rooms with someone with a penis just because that person is self-certifying as a woman.
It has taken many many years of close medical intervention and therapy for me to function fully within society and I still have PTSD. To force me to accept men as women is tantamount to abusing me again and could put my recovery back years. I am only just steady now. Women do not rape girls and women with their penises. Women do not have them.
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This is a copy/paste from another discussion on this subject. Rather thought provoking...
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And a further addition..that kinda has nothing to do with the rest of the post, but again I do not want to spam post.
https://www.change.org/p/human-right...ces-drop-the-t basically, the trans movement as it is today, is homophobic in many ways, ignoring the cotton ceiling concept entirely. Many views on this, but the petition puts most of it across in one place..so was easier to post than a bunch of links on the top of my screen right now.